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| ▲ | lotsofpulp 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Voting for a traitorous convicted felon is why I can't stand federal level Republican voters. What is the point in changing the messaging when racism and sexism are at the root of the problem? For the record, I abhor my non federal level Democrat leaders, and vote Republican on the state and local level (because they are less crazy than the Democrats at this level). | | |
| ▲ | bigstrat2003 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > What is the point in changing the messaging when racism and sexism are at the root of the problem? Because it is in fact the messaging which is the problem, not racism or sexism. Why on God's green earth would you expect people to vote for a political class that openly hates them, as indeed posters here are kindly demonstrating? I can tell you from personal experience that there are a great many Trump voters who aren't racist or sexist in any way. They are friendly and helpful to all whom they encounter in life. But they believed (rightly or wrongly) that Trump would best represent their interests, so they voted for him. Excoriating them as Bad People (TM) is only going to convince them that they were right to vote for Trump, because they can observe that Trump's opposition hates them. If your goal is to reduce support for Trump (or at this point his successor, since he can't be president again), then your #1 priority should be to work on messaging. It is the messaging of the Democrats that pushed so many people into Trump's arms, and unless that is changed it will do so again. Painting with the broad brush of "they're just racist" is not only intellectually lazy and untrue, it is actively harmful to the Trump opposition's cause. | | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Because it is in fact the messaging which is the problem, not racism or sexism Yes, of course, the reason Republican voters embrace the concept of deplorable is because the Dems are mean to them. That totally makes them noble and not in fact deplorable. > It is the messaging of the Democrats that pushed so many people into Trump's arms He got less than 50% of the vote, if the Dems are pushing so many people to Trump they are doing a crappy job of it. Though I do agree that the Dems suck on messaging, it is not because they villainize Republican voters. It's because they don't focus their efforts on bread-and-button progressive priorities like labor and healthcare. They blew their wad on trans rights, which just isn't a great strategy to move a lot of voters to the polls. | | |
| ▲ | irishcoffee 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Yes, of course, the reason Republican voters embrace the concept of deplorable is because the Dems are mean to them. That totally makes them noble and not in fact deplorable. I don't think anyone ever embraces being called deplorable, that seems like a strange take. If anything, being called deplorable would just make someone dislike the name-caller. Don't take my word for it, this is behavior exhibited by children and adults every day. Or are you twisting up a reference where HRC called the right "a basket of deplorables" ? |
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| ▲ | irishcoffee 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If the messaging doesn't change there is a ~50% chance JDV wins next, and the joke will be on the whole world. It is absolutely in the best interest of the entire _world_ for the left to figure out the messaging. There was a time right after the election [0] where messaging was being talked about, and it seems that effort tailed off as people got more emotional and angry, which I suppose isn't surprising. [0] https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/22/democrats-woke-lang... |
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| ▲ | yakshaving_jgt 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > What is the point in changing the messaging when racism and sexism are at the root of the problem? If your position is that racism and sexism are the root of the problem — which I am not contesting — how wise do you think it was for the Democrats to try running with a black woman? | | | |
| ▲ | Nextgrid 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Voting for a traitorous convicted felon The Epstein revelations show that pretty much everyone that could make it to the ballot list has skeletons in their closet. The only difference is that some of them manage to hide it better than others. | | |
| ▲ | lotsofpulp 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I doubt that, but in reality, Harris was on the ballot, and was squeaky clean relative to her opposition. And there's levels of skeletons, but calling up a governor and asking them to find votes and baselessly casting doubts on elections and endorsing and freeing people who attacked the US government is not on the same level of everyone else's skeletons. |
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| ▲ | emsign 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The Republican party is openly racist. More than it has ever been in the last 40 years! And you are claiming otherwise. You are actively looking the other way if you dismiss this. It's not normal and why should the Democrats copy the Republicans? So they lose the liberal voters who aren't okay with bigotry and revenge politics? Because no matter what the Democrats say, the MAGA Republicans will always beat them at that, and people will still vote for the OG racists anyway. Your argument is coming up everytime when right-wing populists gain votes, and it's always a fatal trap. Merz in Germany claimed to beat the AfD (who is loved by Bannon and Musk and was loved by Epstein btw, all "wonderful" people), and it failed he barely made it to become chancellor. It also failed in the 90s during the first wave of racism in Germany after re-unification. |
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