Lifespan is not even half the story though, health span is much more important. Your life is completely different if you can ski or split your own wood at 80+ vs being barely able to use stairs at 50. Both might die at 90 but one "lived" 30 years more

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Sohcahtoa82 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yup.

I'm not really afraid of getting old, but I'm afraid of becoming decrepit.

My grandma has been decrepit for over 5 years now. She can't walk and has no bladder or bowel control, so she just sits on the couch and shits herself all day. She's not living, she's merely surviving. She was living with my mom for a while, but my mom decided she couldn't handle it anymore and put her in an assisted living facility.

If I get to the point where I couldn't cook my own meals and wipe my own ass, just put a bullet in me. I do not fear dying, but I do fear spending years of my life not being able to actually do anything.

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Merad 5 hours ago | parent [-]

My dad died at the end of last year, and was not too different from your grandma. For him the main problem was chronic pain from his failing body. Even fairly powerful opioids from a pain management doctor only helped a bit. Basically all he could do was sleep, eat meals, and sit in his chair in pain.

I feel similar to you, but I wonder if it's one of those those things where age changes your perspective. Dad was in assisted living and had several stints in rehab/nursing home facilities, and in both there were quite a few people with what I'd call poor quality of life who were still holding on to life.

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amanaplanacanal 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Something we youngsters (I'm 69) may not realize is that people in assisted living still have friends and frequently even sex lives while they are there. They read, play games, and watch movies, just like us. They might not be able to do all the things they could when they were younger, but their lives are not necessarily over.

	▲	niemandhier 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I am looking forward to playing 3 decades of great computer games once I am too old to go out into the woods or do martial arts. I love gaming, but I am still too young to do it properly.
	▲	nkrisc an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Of course, some truly do “live” there, and good for them. And others just sit there waiting to die, unable to even feed themselves. I saw plenty of examples of both when my grandmothers were in assisted living homes. Unfortunately my grandmothers both tended towards the latter case.

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circlefavshape 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My Dad (age 81) tore his rotator cuff splitting wood recently. It's slow to heal and he's in a lot of pain which (along with his Alzheimer's) is really getting him down.

Maybe even if you're still fit and strong in your 80s you should let someone else split your wood for you

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stalfie 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is probably more than half the story. Health span is strongly correlated to life span, although not completely. The median "health span gap" is about 10 years, and has widened by roughly one year over the past 20 years. However, this is probably just due to an aging population and not necessarily from any factors you can control fully.

I wouldn't be surprised if "health span" (although defining it is difficult) exactly mirrors the inheritability pattern of mortality.

	▲	lm28469 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> The median "health span gap" is about 10 years It depends on the definition, if you're even just 20kg overweight you're living a wildly different life than you'd have if you were fit, you're closing so many doors by default and making a bunch of things much harder than they should be, But you're still considered "healthy" here

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faeyanpiraat 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, been working in IT since forever (sitting work all day), but started lifting recently and it already made remarkable improvements in my wellbeing. Should've started sooner of course, but I'm still well in time.

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klik99 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This plus stretching / yoga has been amazing as I'm entering my 40s. For a while I was just lifting and I had strong muscles but they were short and tight. Not everyone has that problem, but just noting strong muscles are half the picture, being strong and flexible makes life feel effortless and years of being a desk jockey.

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vixen99 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Lot of people think it's a niche exercise activity and it shouldn't be - for all ages including those in their 80s and 90s according to reports.

	▲	intrasight 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		One of the most consistent health research findings Ive heard in recent years is the benefits of weight training for older adults. Hopefully the message is being received.

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baxtr 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

100% now that I get older I observe the even older people I know.

Some live a very painful and limited life. Others are 85+ and still go out to run, play soccer etc. Amazing to see.

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gus_massa 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Life span is easier to measure. You get the offial birth dates table, you get the official death dates table, you just substract the numbers and call it a day.

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droopyEyelids 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a remarkable tragedy how many people don't understand your point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability-adjusted_life_year

Too many people think your life is a binary 'living or dead' when thats not the case at all. I didn't even understand it fully till I was hit by a car.

	▲	techdmn 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I'm sorry that happened.

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paulnpace 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As many of the health nutters say, the goal is "live well, drop dead."