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Firefox Getting New Controls to Turn Off AI Features(macrumors.com)
89 points by stalfosknight 3 hours ago | 36 comments
rc_kas 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I keep meaning to make a guide "how to make firefox not suck" but I never get around to it.

It's a great browser, but I always forget the default settings are super stupid. Myself and power users all have it customized to the hilt.

It takes some serious work to get a new new FireFox install working nicely.

NoPicklez 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

Could you mention some of these settings? I moved to Firefox from being a Chrome user and interested to know improvements

mathnode 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Of all the unnecessary AI integrations; firefox is the one I am least concerned or annoyed about. I will however be disabling anything AI related they introduce.

crabmusket 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why are there controls to turn off AI features, but no controls to turn on AI features?

denkmoon an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Those are helpfully enabled by default, you can put your feet up, Moz has you covered.

giantfrog an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Because Firefox users have been clamoring for the ability to turn them off rather than the opposite.

SahAssar an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I think you misunderstand. Firefox users have wanted this to be opt-in or explicit-choice rather than opt-out.

The implication is that all future AI features will be opt-out.

ysavir 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think the parent comment is snark. They're saying that since many Firefox users are saying "Let me turn off AI features, please!" for features they don't want at all, and few to no Firefox users are saying "Let me turn on AI features!" because few to no Firefox users want AI features in the first place, Mozilla is making AI features opt-out to "satisfy" the "want" of turning off AI features.

LoganDark an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I think they're asking why it has to be opt-out rather than opt-in.

ryandrake an hour ago | parent [-]

The likely answer is an incentive structure that rewards someone for maximizing 'number of users using AI'.

chillfox an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am tired of turning features off. At this point I just want a boring browser that handles html/css/js, bookmarks, tabs (should sleep inactive tabs), plugins (for my chosen password manager and ad blocker), and page zoom. Those are the only features I actually use regularly.

That's it, I would be willing to make a one time purchase for that, no subscriptions... Ok, I could maybe be convinced for a subscription if it was a low yearly one.

stackghost an hour ago | parent [-]

Don't forget an obfuscation layer to spoof things like canvas fingerprinting, installed fonts, etc. I'd pay for that.

chillfox 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

Sure, I just want the core browser stuff and plugins, security/privacy kinda goes with that.

It feels like browsers are like old IDEs where everything is bundled in. I think it would be much better it they were more like modern code editors where people can make their own custom IDE by installing the plugins they want.

WhyNotHugo 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yup, providing better APIs for external bookmarks management, password management, etc would be much better than trying to provide some “one size fits all full featured built in” implementation.

blue_sauce_bean 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm worried that this will require yet another config change on top of the already-ridiculous pile. (A listing was discussed 3 months ago at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45696752 )

comex 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If you click through you can see that the new feature includes a single toggle to turn off all current and future AI.

JoshTriplett 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That's the third-best design they could have. Second-best would be having a toggle to turn on AI. Best would be going back to building a browser and leaving out the AI entirely, or putting it in some other product that they only consider funding after they get back to 50% market share for the browser.

stackghost 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

Market share statistics include Chrome- and Safari-based webviews do they not?

Pretty much impossible for Firefox to achieve 50% of market share

keyboardJones 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Official announcement: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/

evolve2k an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wasn’t their translations project “pre AI”? That’s not running an LLM is it?

Macha 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

Most modern translation tools are language models and this was true even before the LLM chatbot explosion. The difference is they were trained on smaller (and less dubiously sourced) datasets and the output that was trained for was translations directly rather than conversations.

gaigalas 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd say browsers are a pretty good way of delivering models that run locally.

Currently, this tech is a sleeper because consumer hardware is not there yet.

Extensions, even websites, could benefit a lot from offering small models on demand and powering client-side features with them.

That is very different from a browser that embeds AI access through an API, and totally acceptable.

bravetraveler 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Soon: "Oopsie woopsie, we changed your expressed preferences... care to try again?"

Sabinus 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, I'm looking forward to the new AI features and I use the AI sidebar regularly. Thanks Mozilla

spacephysics 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Too little, too late. Switched to Brave and haven’t been happier. Firefox lost the plot years ago.

heavyset_go 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

Brave comes with its own branded "Leo"[1] AI assistant built into the browser lol

[1] https://brave.com/leo/

GCUMstlyHarmls 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

Every time brave gets walked out as some good alternative I cant get past the vc / crypto coin / brave-reward holding garbage.

Maybe they're ok now but they had some really gross mistakes (?).

cranberryturkey 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The real question is whether this sets a precedent for how browsers should handle feature creep in general. Browsers have quietly accumulated telemetry, sponsored content, pocket integrations, VPN upsells — AI is just the latest.

What I like about Mozilla's approach here is the single toggle for all current and future AI. That's a genuine concession to user agency rather than the usual whack-a-mole of about:config flags. If every new feature category got this treatment (a clear, discoverable off switch), browsers would be in a much better place trust-wise.

The deeper issue is that Mozilla needs revenue diversification beyond the Google search deal, and AI features are their bet on that. So the incentive to make the toggle hard to find or slowly degrade the non-AI experience will always be there. I'd love to see them prove that wrong.

yicmoggIrl an hour ago | parent [-]

> the single toggle for all current and future AI. That's a genuine concession to user agency rather than the usual whack-a-mole of about:config flags

My thought exactly! I'm grateful that Mozilla isn't hiding the features behind dark config UI patterns.

thisislife2 an hour ago | parent [-]

They can't afford to, or they would have. With ads in the browser, telemetry that doesn't really switch off, etc. etc. their brand value has really fallen.

ChrisArchitect 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

[dupe] Source: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-controls/ (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46858492)

vpShane 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That control would be LibreWolf, turns off the rest of the bad things too

clumsysmurf 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would like to see them provide -AI-free builds ... just to be sure.

xeonmc 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

justthebrowser.com

semiinfinitely 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

too late I already stopped using it

hacker_homie 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

too late.