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AndyKelley 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The Department of Homeland Security was created in 2003. We didn't need it then and we don't need it now.

Why waste tax dollars on ineffective, privacy-violating security theater when we could spend it on education and health?

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throwawaypath 6 hours ago | parent [-]

You didn't answer or even address a single question I asked. I'll ask again:

1. Are you OK with sovereign states enforcing their borders and deporting illegal immigrants?

2. Is it the awful tactics ICE uses to accomplish its mission, or do you find the mission in and of itself immoral?

	▲	jcranmer 6 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		ICE's current mission isn't to deport illegal immigrants. Its current mission is to antagonize anyone who is not a WASP, and seemingly these days, anybody who stands up for non-WASP citizens in the US. As can be easily ascertained by the sheer number of encounters where the officers insist that they don't actually care to see any papers proving the people they're arresting are legal US citizens (let alone legal US residents). So your questions don't matter because you're arguing about a reality that doesn't exist.
	▲	hypeatei 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		You'd have a lot stronger argument if ICE wasn't being used as a secret police force. They're Immigration Enforcement in name only. Your average citizen would say it's okay to enforce immigration laws, there is no doubt about that; doing middle-of-the-night raids with a blackhawk helicopter in cities of your political opponents is not reasonable[0]. There are plenty more examples of their abhorrent behavior (like killing two American citizens in the midwest and brutalizing protestors) if you cared to search for it. I've noticed that the MAGAs have been adamant about trying to shift the window back to: "but you agree that immigrants should be deported right?" as some sort of attempt to justify what's happening, I guess. Is that talking point coming from some popular right wing show or something as a last ditch effort before midterms? 0: https://www.propublica.org/article/chicago-venezuela-immigra...
	▲	actionfromafar 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Something smells fishy here... is that a Sea Lion?

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thrance 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No. Both.

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xrd 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you ok with the size of the budget these agencies control? Are you ok with it being headed by a guy who never has denied he took a $50k bribe from the FBI and wasn't even the initial target of an investigation?

I would bet you $1000 that not one of the immigrants being rounded up were even accused of that kind of corruption and crimes.

How is this not bald corruption and an insane way to spend tax dollars when people are really struggling in this country?

And I know plenty of restaurant owners in Portland that are closing because of down tourism. Why can Trump sue the IRS for $10B but Portland can't sue him for disparaging the city because he can't figure out that videos of riots are five years old?

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charcircuit 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The budget needs to increase because there are a lot of people in the country illegally and in order to get every single one of them out the agency needs to scale up. When people start obstructing officers and being violent that increases the required number of officers even more.

	▲	KingMob 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		We don't need to get them all out, though. The vast majority are picking strawberries and working cheap construction jobs, not funneling drugs and guns. I'm as concerned with getting them all out as I'm concerned with ticketing every jaywalker.