| ▲ | lateforwork 6 hours ago |
| The $45 pays for extra checks and scrutiny. |
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| ▲ | glaucon 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| What are these checks and scrutiny and how are they applied in the time available? Given the time available is not great ("I'm on the next flight") and the amount of money is modest if humans are involved I'm intrigued to know what could be done that $45 would cover. |
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| ▲ | crazygringo 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's a database lookup that takes 5-15 minutes once you get to an available officer, but then depending on what it returns you may need additional screening, which will also need to wait for someone available. That's why if you don't have an ID, you should get to the airport at least an hour earlier than otherwise (already accounting for long security lines), and more during peak travel times. If you get slowed down, you're going to miss your flight. They're not going to speed it up for you. | | |
| ▲ | eitally 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | To me this makes no sense at all. The visual (or computational) ID check takes a second. Why is a manual entry of someone's name/DOB something that takes 5-15 minutes? This is a process control issue, not a technical problem. | | |
| ▲ | crazygringo 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You're misunderstanding. What's preventing me from finding someone on Facebook who looks kind of similar to me, finding out their address and phone number, and then claiming I'm them but forgot my ID? Or if I'm a serious criminal planning ahead, applying for a legitimate driver's license in that other person's name with easily-forgeable documentation that less strict DMV's accept when they aren't RealID? That's what they're guarding against. There's is no secure enough visual or computational ID check that takes a second when you're not already carrying a RealID or passport, that's the point. They have to start getting a bunch of information from databases, determining if it seems like a real person, and quizzing you on information you should know if you're the real you, and seeing if it all adds up or not. | | |
| ▲ | addaon 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How about we restrict airport and aircraft access based on individual's ability to do harm, rather than on the information in some trusted database? It sure seems like the major incidents in my lifetime would have been better prevented by keeping people with guns and bombs out than people with poor paperwork skills… | |
| ▲ | steele 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Don't forget about the critical check for whether or not you possess JD Vance meme contraband. |
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| ▲ | addaon 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you are able to follow simple written instructions and enter several pieces of information on a keyboard in less than five minutes... why would you work for the TSA? |
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| ▲ | alecbz 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This happened to me once, they just brought out someone (supervisor?) who asked questions about what addresses I've lived at, other similar questions I'd probably only know the answer to. It does take longer than regular screening (most of the time was just spent waiting for the supervisor -- I'm not sure they were spending time collecting some data first), if that causes you to miss your flight you miss your flight. It seems plausible to me that $45 could be about a TSA employee's wage times how much longer this takes. In aggregate, this (in theory) lets them hire additional staff to make sure normal screening doesn't take longer due to existing staff being tied up in extra verifications. | |
| ▲ | wmf 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Data brokers already know everything about every American so the TSA is just buying existing information from them. Then they can quickly quiz you on the information to verify that you are you. https://network.id.me/article/what-is-knowledge-based-verifi... |
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| ▲ | sailfast 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Bullshit. Also not legally required. |
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| ▲ | steele 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Got a bridge to sell you |
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| ▲ | beeflet 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| what the fuck extra checks and scrutiny could they possibly need? They already go through an x-ray machine and get molested before we get on the plane, "real ID" or not. |
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| ▲ | kube-system 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | There are more criteria to get through security than "not carrying prohibited items". Several of those are dependent on identity, which is why they verify identity. | | |
| ▲ | AngryData 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It seems to me that all those other consideration only matter for international travel, while for domestic travel its an obvious waste of time from every angle. |
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| ▲ | dheera 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I'm almost positive they get paid the same at the end of the day either way and the $45 just lines the pockets of someone on the top. |
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| ▲ | alecbz 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not that they'd pay individual employees more, it's that they'd hire more workers to account for the fact that their existing workers are tied up doing extra verification. Though they might not do that either. | | |
| ▲ | ibejoeb 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Even that fails a sanity test. They're not doing anything more than they would have done 25 years ago when the whole damn thing started. | | |
| ▲ | alecbz 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I wasn't flying 25 years ago but I'm not sure what you mean, or how that's relevant actually. The point is just that it takes them more time to do the "extra screening" if you don't have your ID than the standard screening if you did have your ID. | | |
| ▲ | ibejoeb 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure. A couple of things to clarify: 1. They're not doing screening. The screening comes later. At this stage, they're attempting to identify someone. That has never been the job. The job is to prevent guns, knives, swollen batteries, or anything else that could be a safety threat during air travel. 2. Regardless, the reality is that they do identify travelers. Even so, the job has not changed. If you don't present sufficient identification, they will identify you through other mechanisms. The only thing the new dictate says is that they don't want this document, they want that document. | | |
| ▲ | FireBeyond 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > That has never been the job. The job is to prevent guns, knives, swollen batteries, or anything else that could be a safety threat during air travel. A job that by their own internal testing, they do well less than 5% of the time (some of their audits showed that 98% of fake/test guns that were sent through TSA got through checkpoints). |
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| ▲ | iknowstuff 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you not see how an organization discouraging the use of something inefficient benefits as a whole? Thats why cashless businesses exist, why you pay more for things that involve human attention instead of automated online solutions etc. | | |
| ▲ | beeflet 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Who does it benefit? Not me. Maybe it benefits Mastercard and Visa. | | |
| ▲ | iknowstuff 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes it benefits the consumer through lower prices, and in the case of cashless specifically, less tax fraud, etc | | |
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