| ▲ | toomuchtodo 6 hours ago |
| It’s annoying we don’t offer passport cards for free to people as a national government credential. The cost is similar to this fee, and your app and photo could be taken by TSA right at the checkpoint. You head to your flight after identity proofed, and your passport card could then be mailed to you. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-pa... |
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| ▲ | ibejoeb 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It is, but I think that's a separate issue. There's no authorization, let alone a mandate, to prove identity to move about. The mission, ostensibly, is to make air travel safe by ensuring that passengers don't bring dangerous items onto the plane. It's not to track who is going where. |
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| ▲ | kube-system 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The mission, ostensibly, is to make air travel safe by ensuring that passengers don't bring dangerous items onto the plane. No, it is to make it safe for any reason, which goes beyond whether or not they brought box cutters. | | |
| ▲ | ibejoeb 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ok, I'll concede that. That boils down to someone bringing something on the plane that can be used to cause trouble. |
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| ▲ | 0xCMP 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I didn't personally experience it (I was too young), but I think that was part of "the mission" since pre-9/11. The point of the ID check is to make sure the boarding ticket and ID match. In effect that tracks who is going where. |
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| ▲ | ggm 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You could even double them up as government issued voter-ID and save all that hassle every 4 years. Or the current round of random stop-and-search going on... |
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| ▲ | dghlsakjg 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The people eligible for passports are not the same group of people eligible for voter id since there are a few jurisdictions where non-citizens can vote in certain elections. Voting is also a responsibility of the states (even at the federal level), so there isn't really such thing as a federal voter id since each state has different eligibility requirements for voters that don't necessarily align with passport eligibility. Additionally, passport cards aren't interchangeable with passports in most countries. Also, every four years? Elections happen more or less constantly in this country at some level or another. Federal elections are every two years, BTW, and that's if we ignore special elections for federal candidates. You should learn more about the system you live in. The current round of stop-and-search would be enabled by making passport cards or some form of universal id. The current legal reality is that you do not need to prove your citizenship on demand if you are already in the US as a citizen. The burden of proof - rightly in my opinion - lies with the government to prove that you are not a citizen. Frankly, I'm quite uncomfortable with "paper's please" entering the US law enforcement repertoire. The fourth amendment was pretty clear about this. With the CBP using mere presence validated by facial id only at legally protected protests as reason to withdraw Global Entry enrollment, it seems more and more clear that we do not need to be giving more power to the people who do not understand the 4th and first amendments. Removing people from Global Entry for protected first speech is, afaict, directly in violation of the first amendment even if Global Entry is a "privilege" | | |
| ▲ | ehasbrouck 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | FWIW, REAL-ID is not about U.S. citizenship: A passport issued by any country is considered "compliant" with the REAL-ID Act for air travel or any other purpose, regardless of the person's U.S. immigration status. Some politicians seem to have deluded themselves to think that requiring REAL-ID will stop "illegal aliens" from flying. But it won't. Many foreigners in the U.S. (regardless of U.S. immigration status) have an easier time getting REAL-ID (a passport from their country of citizenship) than some U.S. citizens. |
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| ▲ | lotsofpulp 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And also provide an API for online services to use so we are not beholden to Alphabet and Apple. And while they’re at it, provide an electronic money account that allows for free and instant transfers. But then how would we waste so many societal resources letting investors profit from basic infrastructure? | | |
| ▲ | secabeen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > But then how would we waste so many societal resources letting investors profit from basic infrastructure? That, and Millenarian Christians would object to its being a required "mark of the beast." That bit from Revelations has held us back for quite a while. | |
| ▲ | ggm 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm sure some young guns from a techbro company would love to dive into the data lake and make a proposal. They might need to take a few reels of tape away for offsite analysis, but don't worry.. | | |
| ▲ | lotsofpulp 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | The reels of tape already exist at Apple/Alphabet/Tmobile/ATT/Verizon/Meta/Microsoft/Chase/BoA/etc, subject to secret FISA warrants. What difference does it make? |
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| ▲ | umeshunni 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "government issued voter-ID" Gasp! Checking for IDs while voting is fascist! It's like Germany 1937. |
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| ▲ | jimktrains2 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| ~~~While it's not a passport, I believe most states have free id cards that are "realid" compliant.~~~ Edit: I'm wrong. |
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| ▲ | WarOnPrivacy 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I believe most states have free id cards that are "realid" compliant. None in the mid-Atlantic or SE that I've seen. Some states offer free gov docs under limited programs, eg:unaccompanied homeless youth. | | | |
| ▲ | astura 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Exactly zero states give you real IDs for free. |
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