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__alexs 7 hours ago

Just put a slightly larger solar array on the same equipment on earth?

JumpCrisscross 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> put a slightly larger solar array on the same equipment on earth?

Land and permitting. I’m not saying the math works. Just that there are envelopes for it to.

ajam1507 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There is practically infinite land in which to build a datacenter.

JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> There is practically infinite land in which to build a datacenter

This is absolutely not true. I’ve worked on some of this stuff. Permitting costs months, which in dollar terms pays for launch costs ten-fold.

dangus 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The math literally works.

The US mandates by law that we grow a fuck ton of corn to mix 10% ethanol into gasoline.

If you replaced just those cornfields with solar/wind, they would power the entire USA and a 100% electric vehicle fleet. That includes the fact that they are in the corn belt with less than ideal sun conditions.

We aren’t even talking about any farmland that produces actual food or necessary goods, just ethanol as a farm subsidy program.

The US is already horrendously bad at land use. There’s plenty of land. There’s plenty of ability to build more grid capacity.

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bobtheborg 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Hello fello Technology Connections watcher?

dangus 7 hours ago | parent [-]

You know it!

eldenring 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Solar in space is a very different energy source in terms of required infrastructure. You don't need batteries, the efficiency is much higher, cooling scales with surface area (radiative cooling doesn't work as well through an atmosphere vs. vacuum), no weather/day cycles. Its a very elegant idea if someone can get it working.

ben_w 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Only if you also disregard all the negatives.

The panels suffer radiation damage they don't suffer on Earth. If this is e.g. the same altitude orbits as Starlink, then the satellites they're attached to burn up after around tenth of their ground-rated lifetimes. If they're a little higher, then they're in the Van Allen belts and have a much higher radiation dose. If they're a lot higher, the energy cost to launch is way more.

If you could build any of this on the moon, that would be great; right now, I've heard of no detailed plans to do more with moon rock than use it as aggregate for something else, which means everyone is about as far from making either a PV or compute factory out of moon rock as the residents of North Sentinel Island are.

OK, perhaps that's a little unfair, we do actually know what the moon is made of and they don't, but it's a really big research project just to figure out how to make anything there right now, let alone making a factory that could make them cost-competitive with launching from Earth despite the huge cost of launching from Earth.

eldenring 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> The panels suffer radiation damage they don't suffer on Earth.

I don't think this is true, Starlink satellites have an orbital lifetime of 5-7 years, and GPUs themselves are much more sensitive than solar panels for rad damage. I'd guess the limiting factor is GPU lifetime, so as long as your energy savings outpace the slightly faster gpu depreciation (maybe from 5 -> 3 years) plus cost of launch, it would be economical.

I've said this elsewhere, but based on my envelope math, the cost of launch is the main bottleneck and I think considerably more difficult to solve than any of the other negatives. Even shielding from radiation is a weight issue. Unfortunately all the comments here on HN are focused on the wrong, irrelevant issues like talking about convection in space.

fragmede 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sun-synchronous orbit means there's no nightime for satellites in that orbit.