I've had no issues with prompts like that. I use Cursor with their plan mode, so I get a nice markdown file to iterate on or edit myself before it actually does anything.

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the_sleaze_ 3 hours ago | parent [-]

100%

First phase: Plan. Mandatory to complete, as well as get AI feedback from a separate context or model. Iterate until complete.

Only then move on to the Second Phase: make edits.

Better planning == Better execution

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hobofan 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Until a few days ago (when I switched to Codex), I would have agreed. My workflow was "thoroughly written issues" -> plan -> implement. Without the plan step, there is a high likelyhood that Claude Code (both normal or with GLM-4.7) or Cursor drift off in a wrong direction.

With Codex, I increasingly can skip the plan step, and it just toils along until it has finished the issue. It can be more "lazy" at times and ask before going ahead more often, but usually in a reasonable scope (and sometimes at points where I think other services would have gone ahead on a wrong tangent and burnt more tokens of their more limited usage).

I wouldn't be surprised that with the next 1-2 model iterations a plan step won't be worth the effort anymore, given a good enough initial written issue.

	▲	pests 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I still use tons of non-plan mode edits with cursor too. The example prompt above I'd plan it out first just to make sure it does it in a way I want since I personally know there are tons of ways to implement it. But for simple changes or when I don't want a plan on purpose I just use a normal agent.

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cindyllm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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