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simonw 5 hours ago

I don't see testing as a quality thing any more, I see it as a developer productivity thing.

If my project has tests I can work so much faster on it, because I can confidently add tests and refactor and know that I didn't break existing functionality.

You gotta pay that initial cost to to get the framework in place though. That takes early discipline.

GrumpyYoungMan 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Developer testing is checking whether the code does what the developer themself thinks it should. QA testing is checking whether the code does what the customers / users / rest of the world thinks it should.

smackeyacky 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s a lot faster and easier than it used to be. Things like xUnit in the .net world make setting up tests friction free to the point where I question a codebase that doesn’t have some kind of basic unit tests. It doesn’t make mock testing or integration testing easier but I would argue if you know the base code and logic is sound those tests are less relevant.

One thing I found is that if testing is easy, your code structure does change a bit to aid with a “test first” approach and I don’t hate it. I thought it made me slower but it doesn’t, it ensures that when all the ground work is finished, the gnarly part of wiring everything up goes much faster.

simonw 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah I've found the same, having good test discipline influences my code design in a positive way because code that's easier to test is also code that's easier to integrate and understand.