Uber and Lyft are goners, their customers don't care about them and will take Waymos the second they're available.

Uber and Lyft will survive exactly to the extent they successfully adopt self-driving.

tanseydavid 4 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Uber and Lyft will survive exactly to the extent they successfully adopt self-driving.

I think this is correct and I want to point out something that I have not seen mentioned elsewhere in the thread.

If and when Uber/Lyft move heavily in this direction, the cost/operational benefits of having their "fleet" of vehicles be privately owned-vehicles will almost certainly disappear.

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ativzzz 4 days ago | parent | prev [-]

What's everyone's hate with uber and lyft rides? Over the past 10 years, I've had maybe one ride that was a 1/5. Most drivers either don't talk or are actually very pleasant conversations

I will take whichever one is cheaper. Just like now I open up both uber and lyft to see which costs less, I'll open up waymo as well

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nradov 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I travel a fair amount, and Uber and Lyft service quality has become noticeably worse in the last few years. The apps lie to you about pickup times. Drivers will accept a ride but then never actually head towards your location. A significant fraction of the vehicles are showing some sort of warning light on the dashboard: check engine, overdue maintenance, low tire pressure, etc.

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estearum 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Have you taken a Waymo?

I don't hate Uber/Lyft (though many in NYC are legitimately horrible, just like taxis)

Waymo is simply an order of magnitude better than the best Uber ride I've ever had

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ativzzz 3 days ago | parent [-]

I've had some great conversations with uber drivers. Most don't talk, but I've had some memorable ones for sure.

	▲	estearum 3 days ago \| parent [-]
		Sure, yeah, same here. Waymo is still an order of magnitude better.