| ▲ | paxys 8 hours ago |
| Anthropic has a model. Microsoft doesn't. |
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| ▲ | satvikpendem 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Microsoft can use OpenAI models but it's not the model that's the problem, it's the application of them. Anthropic simply knows how to execute better. |
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| ▲ | bhadass 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | they should just acquire one of the many agent code harnesses. Something like opencode works just as well as claude-code and has only been around half of the time. | | |
| ▲ | w0m 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I used opencode happily for a while before switching to copilot cli. Been a minute , but I don't detect a major quality difference since they added Plan mode. Seems pretty solid, and first party if that matters to your org. |
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| ▲ | formerly_proven 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | As evidenced by Anthropic models not performing well in github presents copilot. | | |
| ▲ | speedgoose 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I read that a few times but from my personal observations, Claude Opus 4.5 is not significantly different in GitHub Copilot. The maximum context size is smaller for sure, but I don’t think the model remembers that well when the context is huge. |
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| ▲ | pixl97 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Microsoft has a model nearly as old as the company. Attempt to build a product... Fail. Buy someone else's product/steal someone else's product... Succeed. |
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| ▲ | icedchai 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | We love to hate on Microsoft here, but the fact is they are one of the most diversified tech companies out there. I would say they are probably the most diversified, actually. Operating systems, dev tools, business applications, cloud, consumer apps, SaaS, gaming, hardware. They are everywhere in the stack. | |
| ▲ | Octoth0rpe 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's a "business" model, not a language model, which I believe is what the poster is referring to. In any case though, MS does have a number of models, most notably Phi. I don't think anyone is using them for significant work though. | | |
| ▲ | pixl97 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's a word play, if their LLM model sucks too much they'll get someone else's. I mean they fought the browser war for years, then just used Chrome. | | |
| ▲ | canucker2016 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Well, they fought hard until IE6. Then they took their eyes off the ball - whether it was protecting the Windows fort (why create an app that has all the functionality of an OS that you give away for free - mostly on Windows, some Mac versions, but no Linux support) when people are paying for Windows OR they just diverted the IE devs to some other "hot" product, browser progress stagnated, even with XMLHttpRequest. | |
| ▲ | torginus 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Which is kind of a bummer - it'd have helped the standards based web to have an actual powerful entity maintain a distinct implementation. Firefox is on life-support and is basically taking code from Blink wholesale, and Webkit isn't really interested in making a browser thats particularly compliant to web standards. MS's calculus was obvious - why spend insane amounts of engineering effort to make a browser engine that nobody uses - which is too bad, because if I remember correctly they were not too far behind Chrome in either perf or compatibility for a while. | | |
| ▲ | Nevermark 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | It would have helped the standards based web, if the standards based web wasn't a fermenting spaghetti monster. | | |
| ▲ | torginus 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | From what I've heard a W3C standards meeting is basically a Zoom call between Blink and Webkit engineers. |
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| ▲ | jug 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They do have some in-house LLM's (Phi) but they seem to either have issues with, or not thinking it's worth it, to develop large flagship ones. |
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| ▲ | tylerchilds 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One has existed since the 80s, when was the other founded? |
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| ▲ | Gud 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | What does it matter?
And Microsoft was founded in the 70s.. | | |
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| ▲ | bee_rider 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| A large language model, or a business model? |
