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bri3d 5 hours ago

Can you read the article a little more closely?

> - MiniMax can't fit on an iPhone.

They asked MiniMax on their computer to make an iPhone app that didn't work.

It didn't work using the Apple Intelligence API. So then:

* They asked Minimax to use MLX instead. It didn't work.

* They Googled and found a thread where Apple Intelligence also didn't work for other people, but only sometimes.

* They HAND WROTE the MLX code. It didn't work. They isolated the step where the results diverged.

> Better to dig in a bit more.

The author already did 100% of the digging and then some.

Look, I am usually an AI rage-enthusiast. But in this case the author did every single bit of homework I would expect and more, and still found a bug. They rewrote the test harness code without an LLM. I don't find the results surprising insofar as that I wouldn't expect MAC to converge across platforms, but the fact that Apple's own LLM doesn't work on their hardware and their own is an order of magnitude off is a reasonable bug report, in my book.

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refulgentis 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Emptied out post, thanks for the insight!

Fascinating the claim is Apple Intelligence doesn't work altogether. Quite a scandal.

EDIT: If you wouldn't mind, could you edit out "AI rage enthusiast" you edited in? I understand it was in good humor, as you describe yourself that way as well. However, I don't want to eat downvotes on an empty comment that I immediately edited when you explained it wasn't minimax! People will assume I said something naughty :) I'm not sure it was possible to read rage into my comment.

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LoganDark 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> Fascinating the claim is Apple Intelligence doesn't work altogether. Quite a scandal.

No, the claim is their particular device has a hardware defect that causes MLX not to work (which includes Apple Intelligence).

> EDIT: If you wouldn't mind, could you edit out "AI rage enthusiast" you edited in? I understand it was in good humor, as you describe yourself that way as well. However, I don't want to eat downvotes on an empty comment that I immediately edited when you explained! People will assume I said something naughty :) I'm not sure it was possible to read rage into my comment.

Your comment originally read:

> This is blinkered.

> - MiniMax can't fit on an iPhone.

> - There's no reason to expect models to share OOMs for output.

> - It is likely this is a graceful failure mode for the model being far too large.

> No fan of Apple's NIH syndrome, or it manifested as MLX.

> I'm also no fan of "I told the robot [vibecoded] to hammer a banana into an apple. [do something impossible]. The result is inedible. Let me post to HN with the title 'My thousand dollars of fruits can't be food' [the result I have has ~nothing to do with the fruits]"

> Better to dig in a bit more.

Rather than erase it, and invite exactly the kind of misreading you don't want, you can leave it... honestly, transparently... with your admission in the replies below. And it won't be downvoted as much as when you're trying to manipulate / make requests of others to try to minimize your downvotes. Weird... voting... manipulating... stuff, like that, tends to be frowned upon on HN.

You have more HN karma than I do, even, so why care so much about downvotes...

If you really want to disown something you consider a terrible mistake, you can email the HN mods to ask for the comment to be dissociated from your account. Then future downvotes won't affect your karma. I did this once.

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fragmede 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Oh no, all my meaningless internet points, gone!

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mikestew 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Then future downvotes won't affect your karma.

Who cares? The max amount of karma loss is 4 points, we can afford to eat our downvotes like adults.

	▲	LoganDark 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Huh. I thought the minimum comment score was -4 (which would make the maximum amount of karma loss 5, since each comment starts at 1 point), but I didn't know if that was a cap on karma loss or just a cap on comment score.