| ▲ | throw20251220 7 hours ago |
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| ▲ | nkrisc 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| No, because the noise of people just living life is not comparable to cigarette smoke. You can also use earplugs if you’re that sensitive to regular noises of people living around you. That kind of sensitivity is not normal though. I can’t stop cigarette smoke from seeping in to everything in my home if I leave the windows open. Also, smoking is not a necessary part of life. You can’t live silently. It’s not the same. |
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| ▲ | throw20251220 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | dhosek 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Maybe if they spent less money on cigarettes they could afford other things. | | |
| ▲ | throw20251220 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Maybe. Go and ask them. Maybe they are truly awful people, maybe they are old or ill, or disabled. Go and talk to them, then start labelling them x and y. See? No one got the idea. All “you” want is that nobody bothers “you”. But thinking from the perspective of others? No, that’s too difficult. The best realisation I had in life was that I am pissing others off for some reasons, as they piss me off for some other reasons. Unfortunately the majority of the lovely “society” doesn’t have that realisation. | | |
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| ▲ | stevage 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | nkrisc 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > You can shut windows. They could just not smoke, or smoke far away from the building where it won’t bother anyone. > Where else do you think they are going to do it? I don’t know, I’m not the one smoking. That’s their problem to solve. I don’t think they’d like it if I left a bucket of rotting fish on my balcony. | | |
| ▲ | its_ubuntu 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I don’t know, I’m not the one smoking. That’s their problem to solve. And this is exactly the problem. YOU are the problem. Your attitude is completely selfish and obnoxious, like your own concerns and value judgments should be the center of the universe. You are completely incapable of compromise, which is a necessary part of getting along with others. |
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| ▲ | appreciatorBus 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No, it doesn’t work that way. The sound of children playing is a normal part of human life, inseparable in fact from life. The smell of cigarette smoke is neither. |
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| ▲ | stevage 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Only because you're defining one as normal and the other as abnormal. | | |
| ▲ | appreciatorBus 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It is possible for the human species to exist without cigarette smoke, and doubtless for at least part of our history it did not exist. It is not possible for the human species (or any form of mortal biological life) to exist without children. If you want to try to define the latter observation of reality as “abnormal”, fill your boots. | | |
| ▲ | its_ubuntu 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > It is possible for the human species to exist without cigarette smoke Yeah, and it's possible for it to exist without whatever pleasures you enjoy too that I don't approve of. I'm sure I can invent some twisted, self serving reasoning to justify why your activity should be banned, as I don't like it, and my judgment is better than yours. > It is not possible for the human species (or any form of mortal biological life) to exist without children. No, but some people's kids we could do without. Especially the ones who want to ban everything. |
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| ▲ | seattle_spring 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I remember when I was young and edgy, and thought dunking on parents was simply sharing hard truths. Boy am I glad I grew out of that mindset. |
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| ▲ | IanCal 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you smoke you might not realise just how absolutely awful it smells and how it sticks to material. Sounds of children don’t. |
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| ▲ | paradox460 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't know man. I once heard the sound of children laughing and having fun, and now I've got kids of my own. |
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| ▲ | tqi 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes, that is the same because second degree kid noises also cause cancer. |
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| ▲ | its_ubuntu 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | defrost an hour ago | parent [-] | | A full range of scientific evidence, extending from the molecular level to whole populations, supports the conclusion that secondhand smoke causes disease. The scope of this evidence is enormous, and encompasses not only the literature on secondhand smoke but also relevant findings on active smoking and on the toxicity of individual tobacco smoke components.
* The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke: A Report of the Surgeon General. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK44321/356 links to supporting studies and works | | |
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| ▲ | jmward01 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Society needs kids and has a collective responsibility to raise them. It has no such obligation to cigarette smoke. |
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| ▲ | throw20251220 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You want to have children? Cool. Made a mistake? Deal with it. Don’t make it sound like you are doing others a favour by having children though. “The society” will be fine without them. There are plenty out there nobody cares about. |
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| ▲ | RobotCaleb 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Did we find the smoker? |
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| ▲ | its_ubuntu 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "The" smoker? There are millions of smokers, including on Hacker News, despite the Religious Police trying to run them off. | |
| ▲ | throw20251220 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The correct question is “have you found a smoker who smokes on a balcony”. |
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| ▲ | unsupp0rted 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You’re both correct, 100%. Seriously. |
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| ▲ | throw20251220 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, it’s simply pissing me off that no person noticed the only abnormal behaviour here is the dude labelling the whole category of human beings as “awful” without trying to understand their motives. Selfish and entitled on a boss level. Are those who smoke on a top floor balcony also awful? Are those who smoke on a balcony of a multi-storey building they live alone in also awful people? | | |
| ▲ | its_ubuntu 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I smoked a cigarette in the middle of the Amazon once. A game trail camera saw me and reported me to Do-Gooder Headquarters in California. I had a strongly worded email waiting for me in my inbox when I returned, explaining in detail what a terrible person I am for exposing those poor, innocent jungle creatures to my toxic smoke. |
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| ▲ | wookmaster 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No, doesn’t work. Nice try though. |
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| ▲ | 725686 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You must be a very congenial neighbor. |