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4b11b4 9 hours ago

Yeah alpha go and zero were lame. The earth foundation model - that's just ridiculous.

That's sarcasm

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Your "direct Gemini calls" is maybe the least impressive

edit: This paper is mostly a sort of "quantitative survey". Nothing to get too excited about requiring a grain of salt

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verdverm 9 hours ago | parent [-]

The underlying models are impressive, be it Gemini (via direct API calls, vs the app or search), I would include alpha-go/fold/etc in that classification

The products they build, where the agentic stuff is, is what I find unimpressive. The quality is low, the UX is bad, they are forced into every product. Two notable examples, search in GCloud, gemini-cli, antigravity (not theirs technically, $2B whitelabel deal with windsurf iirc)

So yes, I see it as perfectly acceptable to be more skeptical of Google's take on agentic systems when I find their real world applications lackluster

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4b11b4 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I agree with you in general re "agentic systems". Though they might deliberately not be trying to compete in the "agent harness" space yet.

The antigravity experiment yes was via windsurf - probably nobody expected that to take off but maybe was work that made have surfaced some lessons worth learning from.

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verdverm 8 hours ago | parent [-]

My hunch is that Google is past it's prime, all the good PMs are gone, and now it looks like a chicken hydra with all the heads off and trying to run in multiple directs.

There is no clear vision, coherence, or confidence that the products will be around in a another year

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nawgz 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Kind of a weird take given they are one of the strongest AI providers who are the most vertically integrated. Sure, maybe the company isn’t as healthy as it once was, but none of them are - late stage capitalism is rotting most foundations

	▲	verdverm 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I saying this as a big, but dimming, Google-stan Their poor product decisions have driven me away, that doesn't mean I'm still very impressed with everything under that. I'm building my custom agent on their open source Agent Development Kit and the Gemini family.