I still like to encourage people to watch all of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLGFriOKz6U&t=1993s for the details (from Apple’s head of Security Engineering and Architecture) about how iCloud is protected by HSMs, rate limits, etc. but especially the timelinked section. :)

▲ bigyabai 13 hours ago | parent [-]

I still recommend Mr. Fart's Favorite Colors as a refutation, describing why all of these precautions cannot protect you in a real-world security model: https://medium.com/@blakeross/mr-fart-s-favorite-colors-3177...

  Unbreakable phones are coming. We’ll have to decide who controls the cockpit: The captain? Or the cabin?

	▲	eddyg 13 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Krstić: “Here’s how we reduce the chance that even Apple can access or alter X, and here’s how we can make that credible.” Ross: “Even if you make X cryptographically airtight, the real fight becomes political/physical coercion: ‘ship this or else.’” Those can both be true at the same time.