| ▲ | ArtTimeInvestor 2 hours ago |
| Can Europe build AI datacenters though? Europe has no wafer production and no companies that produce GPUs. That means it is dependent on Taiwan for wafers and the USA for GPU design. Then there is the question wether there is a will to invest. Gemini gives me this list of publicly traded companies in the US and what they invested in AI infrastructure in 2025: Amazon: $100B
Alphabet: $90B
Microsoft: $80B
Meta: $70B
Tesla: $20B
For Europe, I get this list: Deutsche Telekom: $1B
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| ▲ | alibarber an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| How much of the stuff that is under control of the US cloud companies has any need for being in an ‘AI’ datacentre? Does a store of healthcare records need AI? The state portal for renewing passports? The tax administration? I seemed to be able to use all of these things online before the latest boom in AI came along. |
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| ▲ | ArtTimeInvestor 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | AI will be involved in all processing of data. Everything that is human work today will be done by AI tomorrow. So if Europe will rely on US AI infrastructure, nothing is won by moving the old CPU bound processes off of US cloud infrastructure. |
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| ▲ | smallnix an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Isn't every AI datacenter chip manufacturer critically dependent on EU (ASML)? |
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| ▲ | ninkendo an hour ago | parent [-] | | Sure but the US isn’t vowing to eliminate all dependencies on EU goods. (Just burning all their good will.) |
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| ▲ | devsda 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is there a use case for AI that open models can't solve ? Are there really any customers who are demanding AI and threatening to leave if those AI features are missing in every tech adjacent product ? I think the make or break situation of integrating cutting edge AI for any business is just the hype and fomo at leadership level. |
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| ▲ | simgt 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > That means it is dependent on Taiwan for wafers and the USA for GPU design. Both being dependant on ASML, that we're crippling to please our bully, the USA. We probably have more leverage that we want to admit, but that requires a lot of politic will and... planning the economy. |
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| ▲ | margorczynski an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well it is like Thiel said in a recent interview - European companies and investors are very risk-averse and will never be a vanguard like the ones in the US. You'll never get here that kind of cash for any risky project, it usually is low risk + low margin. |
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| ▲ | ozim an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Feels like people write that like it somehow is failure on investors side. If you are investor on US market having 300M people speaking roughly the same language and then high possibility to easily spill over the world upsides on the bet are really high, burning cash to have a chance hitting jackpot are much much higher than in EU. In EU you are starting in a single country so like 60M people and your payoff is capped from start at most likely scenario you go big in a single country and then you basically have clean start in next country. That is the reality of game theory, not some failure of imagination or being scared to take risks - payoff is just not there, in US you have a shot at insane payoff in relatively short term. | | |
| ▲ | lII1lIlI11ll 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > If you are investor on US market having 300M people speaking roughly the same language and then high possibility to easily spill over the world upsides on the bet are really high The topic is cloud providers. Do you think it would be critical for a EU-based cloud provider to translate their admin GUI to Elfdalian, Basque and Romansh in order to succeed? Or perhaps there are some deeper underlying causes for European failure in modern computer tech that you can think of? |
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| ▲ | 202508042147 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe we don't need that kind of money for things like office software, email, reasonable sized databases, VPS etc. |
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| ▲ | tliltocatl an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Do Europe need AI datacenters to survive? AI is immature technology that is not yet critical to anything. |
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| ▲ | 627467 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| People tend to fixate about cutting edge technology, but my naïve intuition says the problem in Europe is not in lack of some secret sauce: it is hidden in plain sight lack of energy to run the DC - and worse - lack of long term desire to make the tough choices to get that energy |
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| ▲ | 202508042147 an hour ago | parent [-] | | I would also add lack of technical competence at C level. In my previous job, I have dealt with quite a few European CEOs whos only background was an MBA. Unlike the US where a lot of CEOs have a deep technical background... | | |
| ▲ | shaky-carrousel 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Of course. One only has to take a look at Microsoft, Apple, or Google, to notice that they're run by CEOs with a "deep" technical background. No MBA whatsoever... |
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| ▲ | enoeht 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| ASML & IMEC are European. |
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| ▲ | raincole an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I mean, if after three years all we got is Mistral, it's obvious that EU is out of the current round of AI race. It might even be a positive thing. If the AI 'bubble' bursts they might end up saving tons of money and can buy idle GPUs at a discount. |
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| ▲ | malka1986 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yeah and we could run kimi. Th issue is energy, we should keep building nuclear reactor and renewable to power it. |
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| ▲ | fweimer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Aren't Mali GPUs designed in Europe? |
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| ▲ | ear7h an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Wow you're so right, you did such a good job asking computer mommy to confirm your priors! But actually, that's not the goal here. AI, at least the kind of products that need dedicated datacenters ie. generative, isn't critical infrastructure. The focus is on documents, collaboration tools, file servers, single-sign on, databases etc. that are seemingly monopolized by US providers. |
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| ▲ | 627467 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > documents, collaboration tools, file servers, single-sign on, databases All being (or soon to be) fed through LLM agents running on fibers and datacenters controlled by NOT European entieties. And if you build DC you'll be powering them with energy imports. Software being built on library repositories also under foreign jurisdictions. Network infrastructure built on imported tech running whatever backdoors "partners" see fit. Its like you didn't notice the snowden revelations, the shift from dependence on Russian Gas to US gas, nordstream sabotage, stuxnet, etc | |
| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Also to be honest, suppose EU uses kimi model which is open source. They can literally swap out one word from the provider and move from say American datacenter companies to European. Quite frankly, there is literally 0 moat and its great to see EU focus on the real moat/lock-in issues. |
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