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bob1029 3 hours ago

From a purely engineering perspective I think it becomes difficult to argue with the gas turbine once you get into the gigawatt class of data center. The amount of land required for this much solar is not to be understated. In many practical scenarios the solar array would need to be located a distance away from the actual data center. This implies transmission infrastructure which is often the hardest part of any electrical engineering project. You can put a gigawatt of N+1 generation on a 50 acre site with gas. It's dispatchable 24/7/365 and you can store energy for pennies on the dollar at incredible scale.

Having both forms of generation available at the same time is the best solution. Once you put a data center on the grid you can mix the fuel however you want upstream. This should be the ultimate goal and I believe it is for all current AI projects. I am not aware of any data center builds that intend to operate on parking lot generators indefinitely.

matt-p 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Sadly, I agree until we get SMRs (I think we are few years off). Obviously it would be more ideal to use grid+solar with curtailment but not super realistic.

hjoutfbkfd 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

they are talking about covering the desert with solar panels. why would you not put the data center in the middle of it?

sethops1 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Simply because latency is a competitive advantage, one worth paying for. At the speed of light, making a trip out to the desert and back is too slow.

hjoutfbkfd 2 hours ago | parent [-]

20 ms extra, for models which respond in 5 minutes

stogot an hour ago | parent [-]

Right It is a use case where humans are not latency sensitive

cinntaile 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you have predictable demand at that scale, nuclear might make more sense than the combination of gas and solar.

leetrout 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I am hoping nuclear batteries make a comeback by the desire for all this compute and its voracious appetite for energy.

alansaber 2 hours ago | parent [-]

We have rolls royce small modular reactors (SMRs) driving a similar functionality in the UK

stephen_g 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

For context, at the moment they hope to have them operating some time in the 2030s. That’s a best case, just like the cost estimates (which operating practically and safely may be more than what people are forecasting)

Not operating today like it sounds from the comment.

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