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hambes 4 hours ago

it is difficult to comprehend for me that soneone spends all this time thinking through and calculating how to harness as much energy as possible and then wants to use it for large language models instead of something useful, like food production, communication, transport or any other way of satisfying actual human material needs. what weird priorities.

Hendrikto 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Whether you like it or not, we are burning a lot of electricity on datacenters. That is a fact. And energy consumption is likely going to significantly increase in the near future. If we can reduce that energy usage, that is a good thing and a big improvement.

I do not think I even understand your complaint. Different people can work on different problems. We do not have to pick only one.

> My improvement is more important than yours.

We can just do both.

xyzsparetimexyz 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Reducing consumption is just a case of using A) smaller models and B) not shoving AI into everything, e.g. ads, search results, email summaries

ufish235 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

We don’t do both. We spend trillions on AI.

samus 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

LLMs and other IT applications have the distinct advantage that they require no other raw materials as input, aside from initial setup, extension, and maintenance. Under these conditions the requirements essentially boil down to real estate and high bandwidth internet connections. Also, demand for AI is currently so high that the solution can be scaled up far enough to be viable.

All the other concerns require more subtle approaches because human requirements are much more messy.

compass_copium 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, I've never seen anything written by AI evangelists that doesn't sound like it was written in day three of an adderall binge. This essay is no different.

fnord77 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

[delayed]

stingraycharles 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sometimes (often) solving the problem is the most fun part, regardless of how it’s used.

The scale of AI energy consumption is quite unique from what I heard, and there’s a lot of money flowing into that direction. So that seems to me a decent reason to think about that.

I haven’t heard yet that food production is constrained by these kind of things.

It appears to make that you’re just taking a cheap jab at AI.

alansaber 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Exactly this, you need a (big) problem to motivate people to actually take a serious jab at a (big) new idea

sandworm101 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tell that to the 1000-watt space heater in the corner that i tasked with upscaling some old home movies! Four GPUs worked very hard all night to get footage of my first dog up to 1080p. My living room is a little warm this morning.

hjoutfbkfd 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

if anything we are producing too much food

and what communications you find lacking?

phtrivier 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Food distribution is still a problem in vast part of the world.

Handling food waste is another issue.

Climate related shortage are coming soon for us (at the moment they only manifest as punctual price hikes - mustard a few years ago, coffee and chocolate more recently, etc...

https://www.euronews.com/green/2025/02/13/goodbye-gouda-and-...

https://www.fao.org/newsroom/detail/adverse-climatic-conditi...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/noelfletcher/2024/11/03/how-cli...

I don't know if the electricity going into compute centers could be put to better use, to help alleviate climate change impacts, or to create more resilient and distributed supply chains, etc...

But I would not say that this is "not a problem", or that it's completely obvious that allocating those resources instead to improving chatbots is smart.

I understand why we allocate resource to improving chatbots - first world consumers are using them, and the stock markets assume this usage is soon going to be monetized. So it's not that different from "using electricity to build radios / movie theater / TVs / 3D gaming cards, etc... instead of desalinating water / pulling CO2 out of the air / transporting beans, etc...

But at least Nvidia did not have the "toupet" to claim that using electricity to play Quake in higher res would solve world hunger, as some people claim:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwerner/2024/05/03/sam-altma...

EQmWgw87pw 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

It feels like you didn’t read your own link as he somewhat addressed your concern directly. The idea is simply that AI investment is an “up front cost” to future improvements. To debate against it you would have to provably explain why you think AI will not advance other technologies whatsoever.

scellus 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

the main bottleneck for the civilization in communications currently is the sparsity of cynical, negative HN comments

cornhole 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

nerds favorite pastime is to go “um actually ”