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jy14898 2 hours ago

While I'm not pro YouTube, I think it's fine for companies to decide how to monetise their product, including things which were originally free. If you don't like free services, stop using them

rockskon an hour ago | parent | next [-]

If a company wants to offer its service as a loss-leader to outlast its competitors who offered their services at a cost its users were willing to pay, then that company has no room to complain if people don't want to pay the last-game-in-town's jacked-up rates!

There is no moral high-ground for YouTube to take here.

ffsm8 an hour ago | parent [-]

Wait what? When was there ever a competitor to YouTube?

Did you travel from a parallel universe?

Sorry man, the whole industry was created by YouTube paying creators ad revenue.

AnonymousPlanet an hour ago | parent | next [-]

GP and I are apparently from that universe where you remember that YouTube wasn't the only popular video on demand game in town and, e.g., Vimeo is older than YouTube. They only won because they didn't charge you for uploading or watching. They could afford to undercut the competition since they were bought by Google.

They were also somehow the only ones that offered music videos without being shut down.

LeoWattenberg 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Dailymotion, Google Video, sevenload, german TV stations RTL and Pro7 even launched Clipfish and MyVideo respectively to compete with youtube. Youtube happens to be the only one that survived on Googles ad model, the others very quickly realized that paid premium content is much easier to handle (copyright, CSAM) and monetize.

silverpepsi an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

There wasn't but consider the context: at the time YouTube was an almost purely piracy platform most likely the biggest on the planet if quantified in IP dollar value - yet was magically not shut down by the government. How unfair to the competition is that? Remember that other piracy based sites were raided in that era. But when Google started acquiring it, it was very quickly above the law. YouTube should not exist.

- fair use was also sot as permissive in that era! Web 2.0 coerced a legal shift -

reddalo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>If you don't like free services, stop using them

Problem is, there's no real alternative for YouTube. It's a monopoly.

sneak 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That’s not remotely true.

reddalo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Okay, so list which websites I can use to watch all kinds of content that I can find on YouTube.

Vimeo? It's basically dead. DailyMotion? It could've been an alternative, but they've recently deleted most old videos. Peertube? Nice idea in theory, but lack of content.

icepush an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and Tiktok all fulfil the 'whatever topic I am interested in this second, there are videos about it' property, though admittedly they do not have near as much meritorious long-form content as YouTube.

lombasihir 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

is use yewtu.be from time to time on web, and pipepipex on android.

reddalo 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

Do you realize that those are just wrappers for YouTube, not a real competitor?

fatherwavelet 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I was going to try to make the monopoly argument but then realized I only think youtube is a monopoly because I don't use tiktok.

It is just an oligopoly like most other sectors.

sidrag22 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> If you don't like free services, stop using them

If they don't like users using their service how they deem improper, ban them? they know what accounts are doing it... There is a reason for this cat and mouse, and its not ending with youtube banning people.

A lot of the current issues i see with it, is that it is treated like the go to service for video hosting...

Just consider image hosting... If i see an image in a thread and click it (much like people will do with youtube urls), and block the ad that was on the hosted site, is there this much uproar about it? That image hosting site might charge 5$ to do what an adblocker already does... If they wanna lock that up? actually lock it up, and remove the "service" portion of the business, otherwise I don't see any legs to stand on here.

Service in my eyes here, is a public service. This is a company posing as a public service, and occasionally deciding it hates how a % of the public is using their service. So they hand them a 10$ a month ticket that they pretend is required, but they will never take action on users who dont pay that ticket.

deaux an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As soon as the laws on the books get enforced and they get broken up, sure. Until then, absolutely not.

zigzag312 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> including things which were originally free

Oh, I despise this tactic so much. It means the company has known from the start that they can't offer it for free in the long term, but decided to subsidize it in order to gain a dominant position and get rid of competition. This breaks the conditions needed for a free market to work. In other words, they win market share for reasons other than efficiency, quality, or innovation. That's why some forms of government subsidies are prohibited under certain agreements, for example. Some multinational corporations have annual revenues larger than the GDP of many countries and can easily subsidize negative pricing for years to undercut competitors, consolidate market share, and ultimately gain monopoly power.

Also, the company has hinted false promises to the customer, as it signals that they have developed a business model where they can offer something for free. For example a two-sided marketplace where one side gets something for free to attract users and the other side pays (as it profits form these users). Users can't know something isn't sustainable unless the company explicitly states it in some way (e.g. this is a limited time offer).

So from the user's perspective, this is a bait-and-switch tactic, where the company has used a free offer in order to manipulate the market.

tjpnz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is this product or hampering the way the web works with video? Go to any other site with a <video> tag and you won't face similar issues.