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xg15 18 hours ago

Also, nevermind the tech companies building their own proxy networks, such as Find My or Amazon Sidewalk.

a456463 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Agreed. With things people paid for and using our wifi data to build their "positioning dbs" that you can't block or turn off on your phone, without "rooting" your own device.

enneff 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How is Find My a proxy network?

direwolf20 16 hours ago | parent [-]

In the literal sense. Your traffic is proxied through devices belonging to unwilling strangers.

enneff 16 hours ago | parent [-]

By “your traffic” you mean device location reports? Or something else?

fc417fc802 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes. It's "edge routing" that happens to be restricted to a single operator.

DANmode 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The data that powers the app tracking your devices, shown on your devices, yes.

(What else?)

enneff 12 hours ago | parent [-]

I don’t know. I wouldn’t have thought of myself as proxying other people’s traffic by carrying my iPhone around. (For one thing, it’s my own phone that initiates all the activity- it monitors for Apple devices, the devices don’t reach out to my phone.) I can see how you could frame it that way, though. I just thought they might be referring to something else that I didn’t know about.

MBCook 12 hours ago | parent [-]

I remain skeptical. I can understand how one would might see it that way, but I think it’s stretching the word proxy too far.

Devices on Apple’s Find My aren’t broadcasting anything like packets that get forwarded to a destination of their choosing. I would think that would be a necessity to call it “proxying”.

They’re just broadcasting basic information about themselves into the void. The phones report back what they’ve picked up.

That doesn’t fit the definition to me.

I absolutely don’t mind the fact that my phone is doing that. The amount of data is ridiculously minuscule. And it’s sort of a tit for tat thing. Yeah my phone does it, but so does theirs. So just like I may be helping you locate your AirTag, you would be helping me locate mine. Or any other device I own that shows up on Find My.

It’s a very close to a classic public good, with the only restriction being that you own a relevant device.

DANmode 11 hours ago | parent [-]

> aren’t broadcasting anything like packets that get forwarded to a destination of their choosing

Protocol insists the data only goes back to owner device or Apple server.