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itissid 13 hours ago

Is it true that a walking system only to operate its legs and limbs would still consume more power than a rocker bogie — with all the innovations in battery tech?

Ofc Yes.

On Mars would any other mobility system today achieve better performance for it's purportedly stated(neigh most ridiculous stated but to be fair difficult engineering) goals i.e. colonization? Also no.

I am surprised after watching this that there is so much of the Boston dynamic stuff man/dog walking out there, given that mobility is so well accomplished. Do you need — to invest — an anthropomorphized man to scale walls and be stable after getting kicked around?? I know one thing here on earth all large scale semi(think agro machines) and almost fully(delivery bots) autonomous look nothing like anthropomorphics or canines.

Maybe I have the dunning Kruger effect, because I am not a robotics engineer, but why is building an anthropomorphic _mobility_ platform so important to solve _pragmatic_ problems?

torginus 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm also wondering why people are so enamored with these humanoid robot - what they've accomplished is impressive, but from the perspective of replacing humans, I'm sure we are many years away from the versatility required to replace skilled tradespeople.

A humanoid robot shambling along a factory floor to pick up a plastic cover and deposit it onto a shelf does not look like a trillion dollar industry. I'm sure there are much more straightforward ways of accomplishing the same stuff.

Imo the biggest advantage of reproducing humanoid forms, is that then the robot can be teleoperated with full body harnesses that track the human operator. One such system I like really much, is what the Japanese use for fixing overhead power wires - it looks like a humanoid robot torso mated to a mobile crane.

Altough the technology behind that could be done in the 80s, with electromechanical analog controls.

wredcoll 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The usual reasoning is that 2 legged robots will be able to use the same affordances that two legges humans do.

nobodyandproud 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’d say a lack of imagination.

Lose mobility for a few weeks or months, like breaking both legs (or just try wheelchair access) and see how much of even the paved first world is inaccessible.

Nevermind less refined places like well-maintained hiking trails.

And you can forget about actual trail-blazing.

Then appreciate just how flexible and robust animal and human mobility really is!

verytrivial 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Building a robot and building a robot to operate on Mars are eye-wateringly different challenges.

itissid 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To answer my own last question I would also think probably not that important.

fwip 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Legs look cooler, and so get the investment dollars.

There isn't enough money atm to be gained by solving realistic problems, so Tesla et al have to convince investors that it's going to be an incredible leap forward. Which means impressing investors, not focusing on solving problems.

fnord77 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

a bicycle is more efficient than walking, it's not hard to see why - moving a mass up and down is wasted energy

> why is building an anthropomorphic _mobility_ platform so important to solve _pragmatic_ problems

because something rolling along isn't as visually impressive as a complex system to walk, and these companies require hype