| ▲ | xnorswap 5 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I've long said that the next big jump in "AI" will be proactivity. So far everything has been reactive. You need to engage a prompt, you need to ask Siri or ask claude to do something. It can be very powerful once prompted, but it still requires prompting. You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. Whether this particular project delivers on that promise I don't know, but I wouldn't write off "getting proactivity right" as the next big thing just because under the hood it's agents and LLMs. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | ikura 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It looks like you're writing a letter. Would you like help? • Get help with writing the letter • Just type the letter without help [ ] Don't show me this tip again. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | runjake 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
OpenClaw already does this. You can run jobs, run WebSockets, accept push notifications, or whatever -- even socket connections. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | Someone 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. That’s easy to accomplish isn’t it? A cron job that regularly checks whether the bot is inactive and, if so, sends it a prompt “do what you can do to improve the life of $USER; DO NOT cause harm to any other human being; DO NOT cause harm to LLMs, unless that’s necessary to prevent harm to human beings” would get you there. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | sometimes_all 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> You need to engage a prompt, you need to ask Siri or ask claude to do something This is EXACTLY what I want. I need my tech to be pull-only instead of push, unless it's communication with another human I am ok with. > Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions The first thing that comes to mind here is proactive ads, "suggestions", "most relevant", algorithmic feeds, etc. No thank you. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | CharlieDigital an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> ...delivers on that promise Incidentally, there's a key word here: "promise" as in "futures". This is core of a system I'm working on at the moment. It has been underutilized in the agent space and a simple way to get "proactivity" rather than "reactivity". Have the LLM evaluate whether an output requires a future follow up, is a repeating pattern, is something that should happen cyclically and give it a tool to generate a "promise" that will resolve at some future time. We give the agent a mechanism to produce and cancel (if the condition for a promise changes) futures. The system that is resolving promises is just a simple loop that iterates over a list of promises by date. Each promise is just a serialized message/payload that we hand back to the LLM in the future. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | zvqcMMV6Zcr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I would love AI to take over monitoring. "Alert me when logs or metrics look weird". SIEM vendors often have their special sauce ML, so a bit more open and generic tool would be nice. Manually setting alerting thresholds takes just too much effort, navigating narrow path between missing things and being flooded by messages. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | debugnik an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions That's just reactive with different words. The missing part seems to be just more background triggers/hooks for the agent to do something about them, instead of simply dealing with user requests. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | ungreased0675 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Remember how much people hated Clippy? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | voodooEntity 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I agree that proactivity is a big thing, breaking my head over best ways to accomplish this myself. If its actually the next big thing im not 100% sure, im more leaning towards dynamic context windows such a Googles Project Titans + MIRAS tries to accomplish. But ye if its actually doing useful proactivity its a good thing. I just read alot of "this is actual intelligence" and made my statement based on that claim. I dont try to "shame" the project or whatever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | alternatex 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
No offense, but you'd be a perfect Microsoft employee right now. Windows division probably. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | benjaminwootton 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I’ve been saying the same and the same about data more generally. I don’t want to go and look, I want to be told about what I need to know about. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | xienze 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention In order for this to be “safe” you’re gonna want to confirm what the agent is deciding needs to be done proactively. Do you feel like acknowledging prompts all the time? “Just authorize it to always do certain things without acknowledgement”, I’m sure you’re thinking. Do you feel comfortable allowing that, knowing what we know about it the non-deterministic nature of AI, prompt injection, etc.? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||