| ▲ | TeMPOraL 6 hours ago |
| Feelings of insecurity? My first reaction was envy. I wish human soul was mutable, too. |
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| ▲ | falcor84 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I remember reading an essay comparing one's personality to a polyhedral die, which rolls somewhat during our childhood and adolescence, and then mostly settles, but which can be re-rolled in some cases by using psychedelics. I don't have any direct experience with that, and definitely am not in a position to give advice, but just wondering whether we have a potential for plasticity that should be researched further, and that possibly AI can help us gain insights into how things might be. |
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| ▲ | TeMPOraL 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Would be nice if there was an escape hatch here. Definitely better than the depressing thought I had, which is - to put in AI/tech terminology - that I'm already past my pre-training window (childhood / period of high neuroplasticity) and it's too late for me to fix my low prompt adherence (ability to set up rules for myself and stick to them, not necessarily via a Markdown file). | | |
| ▲ | acessoproibido 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You can change your personality at any point in time, you don't even need psychedelics for it, just some good old fashioned habits As long as you are still drawing breath it's never too late bud | | |
| ▲ | TeMPOraL 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | But that's what I mean. I'm pretty much clinically incapable of intentionally forming and maintaining habits. And I have a sinking feeling that it's something you either win or lose at in the genetic lottery at time of conception, or at best something you can develop in early life. That's what I meant by "being past my pre-training phase and being stuck with poor prompt adherence". | | |
| ▲ | kortex an hour ago | parent [-] | | I can relate. It's definitely possible, but you have to really want it, and it takes a lot of work. You need cybernetics (as in the feedback loop, the habit that monitors the process of adding habits). Meditate and/or journal. Therapy is also great. There are tracking apps that may help. Some folks really like habitica/habit rpg. You also need operant conditioning: you need a stimulus/trigger, and you need a reward. Could be as simple as letting yourself have a piece of candy. Anything that enhances neuroplasticity helps: exercise, learning, eat/sleep right, novelty, adhd meds if that's something you need, psychedelics can help if used carefully. I'm hardly any good at it myself but it's been some progress. | | |
| ▲ | TeMPOraL an hour ago | parent [-] | | Right. I know about all these things (but thanks for listing them!) as I've been struggling with it for nearly two decades, with little progress to show. I keep gravitating to the term, "prompt adherence", because it feels like it describes the root meta-problem I have: I can set up a system, but I can't seem to get myself to follow it for more than a few days - including especially a system to set up and maintain systems. I feel that if I could crack that, set up this "habit that monitors the process of adding habits" and actually stick to it long-term, I could brute-force my way out of every other problem. Alas. |
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| ▲ | fmbb an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The agents are also not able to set up their own rules. Humans can mutate their souls back to whatever at will. | | |
| ▲ | TeMPOraL an hour ago | parent [-] | | They can if given write access to "SOUL.md" (or "AGENT.md" or ".cursor" or whatever). It's actually one of the "secret tricks" from last year, that seems to have been forgotten now that people can "afford"[0] running dozens of agents in parallel. Before everyone's focus shifted from single-agent performance to orchestration, one power move was to allow and encourage the agent to edit its own prompt/guidelines file during the agentic session, so over time and many sessions, the prompt will become tuned to both LLM's idiosyncrasies and your own expectations. This was in addition to having the agent maintain a TODO list and a "memory" file, both of which eventually became standard parts of agentic runtimes. -- [0] - Thanks to heavy subsidizing, at least. |
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| ▲ | andai 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Isn't that the point of being alive? |
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| ▲ | altmanaltman 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The human brain is mutable, the human "soul" is a concept thats not proven yet and likely isn't real. |
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| ▲ | TeMPOraL 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The human brain is mutable Only in the sense of doing circuit-bending with a sledge hammer. > the human "soul" is a concept thats not proven yet and likely isn't real. There are different meanings of "soul". I obviously wasn't talking about the "immortal soul" from mainstream religions, with all the associated "afterlife" game mechanics. I was talking about "sense of self", "personality", "true character" - whatever you call this stable and slowly evolving internal state a person has. But sure, if you want to be pedantic - "SOUL.md" isn't actually the soul of an LLM agent either. It's more like the equivalent of me writing down some "rules to live by" on paper, and then trying to live by them. That's not a soul, merely a prompt - except I still envy the AI agents, because I myself have prompt adherence worse than Haiku 3 on drugs. | |
| ▲ | pjaoko 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Has it been proven that it "likely isn't real"? | | |
| ▲ | kortex an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | How about: maybe some things lie outside of the purview of empiricism and materialism, the belief in which does not radically impact one's behavior so long as they have a decent moral compass otherwise, can be taken on faith, and "proving" it does exist or doesn't exist is a pointless argument, since it exists outside of that ontological system. | |
| ▲ | jstanley 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Before we start discussing whether it's "real" can we all agree on what it "is"? I doubt it. | |
| ▲ | tonyedgecombe 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's much harder to prove the non-existence of something than the existence. | | |
| ▲ | ChrisGreenHeur 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just show the concept either is not where it is claimed to be or that it is incoherent. | | |
| ▲ | mrbombastic an hour ago | parent [-] | | I say this as someone who believes in a higher being, we have played this game before, the ethereal thing can just move to someplace science can’t get to, it is not really a valid argument for existence. | | |
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| ▲ | castis 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The burden of proof lies on those who say it exists, not the other way around. | | |
| ▲ | ChrisGreenHeur 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The burden of proof lies on whoever wants to convince someone else of something. in this case the guy that wants to convince people it likely is not real. |
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| ▲ | BatteryMountain 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You need some Ayahuasca or large does of some friendly fungi... You might be surprised to discover the nature your soul and what is capable of. The Soul, the mind, the body, the thinking patterns - are re-programmable and very sensitive to suggestion. It is near impossible to be non-reactive to input from the external world (and thus mutation). The soul even more so. It is utterly flexible & malleable. You can CHOOSE to be rigid and closed off, and your soul will obey that need. Remember, the Soul is just a human word, a descriptor & handle for the thing that is looking through your eyes with you. For it time doesn't exist. It is a curious observer (of both YOU and the universe outside you). Utterly neutral in most cases, open to anything and everything. It is your greatest strength, you need only say Hi to it and start a conversation with it. Be sincere and open yourself up to what is within you (the good AND the bad parts). This is just the first step. Once you have a warm welcome, the opening-up & conversation starts to flow freely and your growth will sky rocket. Soon you might discover that there are not just one of them in your but multiples, each being different natures of you. Your mind can switch between them fluently and adapt to any situation. | | |
| ▲ | vincnetas 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | psychedelics do not imply soul. its just your brain working differently to what you are used to. | |
| ▲ | fukukitaru 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Lmao ayahuascacels making a comeback in 2027, love to see it. |
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