> It's likely that a fully-attentive human driver would have done worse.

> a huge portion of human drivers

What are you basing any of these blind assertions off of? They are not at all born out by the massive amounts of data we have surrounding driving in the US. Of course Waymo is going to sell you a self-serving line but here on Hacker News you should absolutely challenge that. In particular because it's very far out of line with real world data provided by the government.

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jobs_throwaway 11 hours ago | parent [-]

If you have contradicting data I'd be glad to see it

>It's likely that a fully-attentive human driver would have done worse.

Is based off the source I gave in my comment, the peer-reviewed model

> a huge portion of human drivers

Is based on my experience and bits of data like 30% of fatal accidents involving alcohol

Like I said, if you have better data I'm glad to see it

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themafia 10 hours ago | parent [-]

> based on my experience

The data completely disagrees with you.

> Like I said, if you have better data I'm glad to see it

We all have better data. It's been here the entire time:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/research-data/fatality-analysis-report...

	▲	jobs_throwaway 9 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Your data that shows 30% of fatal crashes involve alcohol, not to mention any of the other factors I named? Seems like your data supports my conclusion! Again, I welcome you to point to data that contradicts my claims, but it seems you are unable
	▲	yesfitz 9 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		What data completely disagrees with them and what does it disagree with them about? The "Persons Killed, by Highest Driver Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) in the Crash"[1] report shows that in 2023, 30% of fatal crashes involved at least one driver with a BAC > 0.08 (the legal limit), and 36% involved a BAC > 0.01. Interesting that "Non-motorist" fatalities have dropped dramatically for everyone under the age of 21, but increased for everyone between 21 and 74.[2] Those are raw numbers, so it'd be even more interesting to display them as a ratio of the group's size. Are less children being killed by drivers because there are less children generally? Changes in parents' habits? Backup cameras? 1: https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Trends/TrendsAlcohol.aspx 2: https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Trends/TrendsNonMotorist.aspx