| ▲ | BiscuitBadger 7 hours ago |
| There have to be GovCloud only LLMs just for this case. I swear this government is headed by appointed nephews of appointed nephews. I keep thinking back about that Chernobyl miniseries; head of the science department used to run a shoe factory. No one needs to be competent at their job anymore |
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| ▲ | dmix 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The article says > [ChatGPT] is blocked for other Department of Homeland Security staff. Gottumukkala “was granted permission to use ChatGPT with DHS controls in place,” adding that the use was “short-term and limited.” He had a special exemption to use it as head of Cyber and still got flagged by cybersecurity checks. So obviously they don't think it's safe to use broadly. They already have a deal with OpenAI to build a government focused one https://openai.com/global-affairs/introducing-chatgpt-gov/ |
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| ▲ | grayhatter 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > So obviously they don't think it's safe to use broadly. More likely, everything gets added to the list because there shouldn't be false positives, it's worth investigating to make sure there isn't an adjacent gap in the security systems. | | |
| ▲ | kulahan 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You are uploading information to the chat system every time you use it. Doubly true if you’re having it analyze or work with documents. I presume pulling this data out is simple if you’re, say, China. There really no security to investigate. Without a private instance, it’s an absolute non-starter for anything classified. |
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| ▲ | nostrademons 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Somehow I think that the weak link in our government security is at the top - the President, his cabinet, and various heads of agencies. Because nobody questions what they're allowed to do, and so they're exempt from various common-sense security protocols. We already saw some pretty egregious security breaches from Pete Hegseth. | | |
| ▲ | NoGravitas 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's also the case in businesses. No one denies the CEO a security exemption. | | |
| ▲ | kulahan 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Why would you? He’s literally the only person ostensibly in charge of the direction of the company. Destroying the company through a security exemption or a bad business deal - both are the leader making a poor decision due directly to his seat of power. Give sound advice of course, but ultimately it’s the exec’s decision make. | | |
| ▲ | defrost a few seconds ago | parent [-] | | There are many reasons to deny a CEO ... in a good company structure such denials are circled back around to the board for review. Case in point: Allowing a CEO with no flight training to "have the keys" to the company <rare, expensive, uniquely outfitted, airframe> because they want to take it for a spin. Sheparding Royalty in Monarchies has been a neccessary, delicate, loaded, and life threatening role for centuries. Being a C-suite Groom of the Stool isn't a happy job, but somebody has to do it. |
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| ▲ | lysace 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have never worked in a company where an obviously incorrect CEO-demanded security exemption (like this one) would have been allowed to pass. Professionalism, boards (with a mandatory employee member/representative, after some size) and ethics exist. 30 years in about 8 software companies, Northern Europe. Often startups. Between 4 to 600 people. When they grow large the work often turns boring, so it's time to find something smaller again. | | |
| ▲ | NoGravitas 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Ah, Northern Europe is probably the difference. This passes all the time in the US. It's probably more common in non-tech companies, as well. | | |
| ▲ | LastTrain 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’m in the US, SE since 1998, startups to multinationals. What the GP said holds true for me too. There are serious professionals in the world - I don’t know why some people want to drag every one else down to the level of the current US administration- they are exceptionally inept. |
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| ▲ | craftkiller 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I used to work devops for a startup. The _only_ person who was exempted from 2-factor auth was the CEO. It's the perfect storm: a tech illiterate person with access to everything and the authority to exclude himself from anything he finds inconvenient. | |
| ▲ | coldtea 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >I have never worked in a company where an obviously incorrect CEO-demanded security exemption (like this one) would have been allowed to pass You don't have worked in enough companies then. Just for the sake of argument, you think anybody would have denied Jobs or Bezos or Musk one? | | |
| ▲ | lysace 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I saw what joining Apple did to a friend in the early 2000s. (Extreme burnout, did not get rich from the pain. It was just pointless destruction.) |
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| ▲ | Nicook 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | CTO at a successfull cybersecurity startup I worked at long ago was exempt from critical security updates. She refused to restart her computer out of fear for her Excel state. | |
| ▲ | hsbauauvhabzb 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The phrase ‘Don’t you know who I am?’ Will be taken differently depending on corporate culture. |
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| ▲ | AnimalMuppet 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Been there. The CEO of an internet security company was the one who clicked on the wrong email attachment and turned a virus loose. I mean, I don't know if he had a security exemption, or if anyone who clicked on it would have infected us. But he was the weak link, at least in that instance. |
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| ▲ | scottyah 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hah no, weak links are everywhere at all levels. The stories just don't generate revenue for news companies. | |
| ▲ | b00ty4breakfast 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | whether he is personally and directly responsible for this specific incident, his leadership absolutely sets the tone for the rest of the federal government. | |
| ▲ | tw85 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [flagged] | |
| ▲ | dboreham 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It goes back long before the current regime. People may remember a certain cabinet secretary who ran her own exchange server in the basement. | | |
| ▲ | macintux 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s always fascinating how massive corruption is “whatabout”’d because someone years ago did something stupid. | | |
| ▲ | trelane 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Do you mean now, or then? Bad is still bad, no matter what the party doing it. | |
| ▲ | tw85 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You mean like the whataboutism that the parent is responding to which is even less on topic than Hillary's email server? |
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| ▲ | bell-cot 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Humans generally find "food safety expert sickens guests with tuna salad he left out overnight on warm countertop" to be a far more damning charge than "fire safety expert sickens ... warm countertop". Dig up a live mic catching Hillary calling the IOC a bunch of self-serving scum just as Obama was begging them to award the 2016 Olympics to Chicago, and we might call it comparable. |
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| ▲ | randycupertino 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I swear this government is headed by appointed nephews of appointed nephews. Don't forget the Large Adult Sons! https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-land-... https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/large-adult-sons |
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| ▲ | fooker 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's all part of the plan. Make the government look so incompetent that it is a no brainer to let a private company (headed by your friends and family of course) to do the important jobs and siphon resources much more effectively. |
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| ▲ | tryauuum 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Do remember that HBO Chernobyl is fiction, there was no shoe guy publicly drinking vodka irl |
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| ▲ | kergonath an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It is perfectly plausible that someone from a shoe factory would end up in that guy’s position. He would just have been running the factory, not making shoes. | | | |
| ▲ | varjag 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes in reality that guy was a machinist. |
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| ▲ | smaudet 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Guess what this administration would love to do with nuclear facilities... Any time you have to include "competent" in a description of a job or related technology, that's a clue that it needs requisite oversight and (possibly exponetial) proportionate cost. |
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| ▲ | bdangubic 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| DEI in action (funny people thst voted for this were apparently anti-DEI and now they get 100% DEI) |
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| ▲ | te_chris 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The failsons of the king of the failsons |
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| ▲ | timmmmmmay 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| there are, he was just too lazy to use them |
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| ▲ | TZubiri 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Isn't using azure openai enough? I read their docs and they have self hosted instances for corporate data compliance. |
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| ▲ | ayaros 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hey, working at a shoe factory is serious business. You have to be a real bootlicker to get ahead in a place like that. |
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| ▲ | toyg 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | And when you get to the top, you actually experience how the shoe is on the other foot. One should get out early, not waiting for the other shoe to drop. | |
| ▲ | goopypoop 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | at least until you get to upper management |
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| ▲ | direwolf20 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They say that most fascist governments fall apart because they actively despise competence, which it turns out you need if you are trying to run a country. |
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| ▲ | coldtea 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They say it, but they're wrong. Historically speaking there have been basically about 2 fascist governments, and they fell because they lost wars. And Germany, for one, did run them with high competence, to the extend that it took years for many countries to do anything about. It we loosen "fascist" to just mean any authoritarian government, there are many that run of very long time. | | |
| ▲ | thinkingtoilet 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | WWII started in 1939 and was done in early 1945, so it didn't take that long. More importantly, maybe the Nazi's were competent at first, but they absolutely fell apart internally due to mistrust, back stabbing, and demanding of loyalty above all else. Hitler famously made many poor military decisions. |
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| ▲ | bena 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That’s because eventually reality catches up to you. If the reality of a thing is in opposition to the regime’s wishes, you can’t just wish that away. However, the regime will favor those who say “yes” over those who accept reality. | |
| ▲ | PearlRiver 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Competence gives way to ideology. I once read an interesting book on the economy of Nazi Germany. There were a lot of smart CEOs and high ranking civil servants who perfectly predicted US industrial might. |
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| ▲ | stronglikedan 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > There have to be GovCloud only LLMs just for this case. I hear Los Alamos labs has an LLM that makes ChatGPT look like a toy. And then there's Sentinel, which may be the same thing I'm not sure. |
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