> Do you have any sources for that claim? I can attest that current iteration of FSD is very, very good, and very likely is a safer driver than I am.

That's a damning statement about your driving skills, and probably not true or you'd have had your license revoked by now. I've had FSD for five years, and even today it regularly makes dangerous mistakes. For example, left turns and roundabouts are the equivalent of Russian roulette, but just last week my FSD started driving through a red light because it interpreted a green left-arrow as a sign that it could proceed forward.

If you need to do 50 miles on the interstate it's pretty solid though.

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SOLAR_FIELDS 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> If you need to do 50 miles on the interstate it's pretty solid though.

So L2 is great, the issue is calling L2 "Full Self Driving"

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IncreasePosts 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If your Tesla is 5 years old aren't you getting a degraded FSD model due to weak hardware?

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root_axis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I took it in for a HW update in 2023. I do believe there is an even newer hardware stack since then, but as far as I'm aware the HW doesn't impact the supported capabilities.

	▲	iknowstuff 9 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		You’re wrong. Your fsd12 is a very different beast from the current fsd14, so stop talking authoritatively about the latest fsd.
	▲	gkfasdfasdf 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Congrats on the upgrade - what exactly did they upgrade and what version of FSD are you running? Hardware and software definitely matters. My FSD experience applies to 2026 Model Y, latest FSD (v14.x).

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pibaker 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"The computer is not beefy enough" is not an acceptable excuse for blowing a red. If your model cannot comply with the most basic law of traffic, it should not be sold to consumers as "full self driving."

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memish 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you think your anecdote is more likely to be true than an insurance company putting its money where its mouth is?

"Tesla Full Self-Driving is twice as safe, so Lemonade takes 50% off every mile driven with FSD."

	▲	root_axis 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I don't know anything about Lemonade, so I can't comment on the logic behind that business strategy, but by definition all the dangerous behavior of FSD is excluded from the analysis since you have to shut it off to avoid the danger. Beyond that, the effect size of my anecdotes assures me that it is not safer than a human driver. It's just obvious.