People are just being rational and pragmatic.

mdavid626 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s always funny to me that hating is fine if the person justifies it by some reason, but it’s generally not accepted, when that person doesn’t care about the reason.

“Stop the hate”, but of course only if it’s not me hating. Because that hate is valid and justified.

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groundzeros2015 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People are losing money and a product they liked because they imagine disliking it hurts an individual they don’t like.

This is a lose/lose enemy centered mindset, and a weird personification of a corporation.

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throwaway132448 4 hours ago | parent [-]

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groundzeros2015 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s more like a vodoo doll. You hurt yourself AND don’t make the world any better, but maybe it feels good to imagine the symbol getting hurt.

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throwaway132448 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You only think I’m hurting myself because you don’t understand what having principles means, and that violating them would hurt more than any monetary penalty. Whether it hurts the other or not is completely irrelevant to my decision. But it makes sense that you think in zero-sum terms, people without principles usually do.

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groundzeros2015 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> People are just being rational and pragmatic.

Principled usually means “minimizing harm” which I argue you are not doing.

It can also mean doing crazy things to protect ego or ideology like “I’m going down with my ship”.

It’s starting to sound like is “yeah this isn’t pragmatic but it’s really moral.”

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throwaway132448 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Edit: You edited your comment so mine is now irrelevant.

You seem to think that “pragmatic” and “rational” have universal or objective definitions, which is completely untrue. For example, depending on if you have a short term or long term view of a situation could completely change whether an action is considered rational or not, and vice versa, and has absolute nothing to do with any moral framework.

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groundzeros2015 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I dont think enemy centered mindsets are just taking a longer term view. They are psychological traps.

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throwaway132448 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I honestly pity you if you think having principles is a psychological trap.

Of course, the complete lack of inhibition that affords, is exactly what can make psychopaths so compelling.

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groundzeros2015 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> It’s starting to sound like is “yeah this isn’t pragmatic but it’s really moral.”

	▲	throwaway132448 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Principles and morality are not the same thing, so no, incorrect. I could have completely amoral principles. Morals are grounded in social consensus, principles are not. Spend less time trying to be right and more time learning. Of course, a complete lack of self awareness is also a common principle-free, sociopathic trait.

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sidcool 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How so?

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flakeoil 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They say Tesla cars are not better than any other EV nowadays. They say the Tesla stock is overvalued. They say the Tesla robot will likely not be a super hit in terms of sales.

I don't see it as hate. It's quite pragmatic views.

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sidcool 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Tesla Model Y is not the best selling car in the world?

	▲	flakeoil an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Maybe it is the best selling car (not sure), but that does not mean it is the best car.

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throwaway132448 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They have self-respect.