I agree that this decision is insane and the whole Optimus/xAI bullshit is tiring, especially with the shareholders actually voting against the xAI investment, but you should try today's FSD. It's genuinely good and shouldn't be discarded wholesale because the guy sucks.

▲ rswail 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The problem is not how well Tesla's FSD works, compared to other FSD from other manufacturers.

The problem is that Musk has been promising it for almost 10 years and it is still not sufficiently stable to be rolled out and relied upon by car owners.

FSD is only actually "ready" in terms of the whole "don't need to own a car for personal transport" when there can be passengers and no driver.

When Mom can dispatch the family car to pick up the kids from school.

	▲	sejje 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> When Mom can dispatch the family car to pick up the kids from school. Tech level, I agree--that's FSD. But even if we had that tech today, Mom ain't sending the car without getting a police visit. You can't even let your kids go to the local playground alone anymore. They're not going to be captain and first mate alone in a vehicle if the Karens have anything to say about it.
	▲	dubeye 10 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		the main metric is fsd subs, the other stuff you mention is not as important

▲ ben_w 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If Tesla's FSD existed in isolation, it would be a fantastic breakthrough that signposted the future.

If.

It doesn't exist in isolation. The competition isn't just from the American firms, but also European and Chinese, and it isn't really possible to overlook Musk himself given both his long history of Musk over-promising and under-delivering, deflecting blame.

Even the current release isn't what Musk was talking hopefully about a decade ago, e.g.:

  Our goal is, and I feel pretty good about this goal, that we'll be able to do a demonstration drive of full autonomy all the way from LA to New York, from home in LA to let's say dropping you off in Times Square in New York, and then having the car go park itself, by the end of next year. Without the need for a single touch, including the charger.

- Oct 2016, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...

Likewise, based on a video I saw recently from someone reproducing Tesla's 2016 "Paint It Black" drive, Tesla's AI is only now around the performance level that they faked in 2016.

Don't get me wrong, that level was impressive… just, the world isn't isolated developments.

	▲	lnenad 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		But it is still (unfortunately) the most competent publicly available ADAS.

▲ tonyedgecombe 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure it is a bad decision given:

"Tesla’s far more popular models are the 3 and Y, which accounted for 97% of the company’s 1.59 million deliveries last year."

	▲	rightbyte 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That just indicates that the other models were allready being wound down.

▲ ulfw 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Tesla's Full Self-Driving (FSD) is officially classified as a Level 2 advanced driver-assistance system (ADAS). Despite its advanced capabilities, it requires the human driver to remain fully attentive, monitor the environment, and be ready to take control immediately.

So it's literally nothing special compared to other manufacturers. I am happy to argue that's it's a better Level 2 than most others, sure. But it's still just that. No magic, no bullshitty "by 2017 the car will drive itself from New York to Los Angeles". No it hasn't and no it won't.

	▲	vardump 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		ADAS levels are not only about technical capability, but also about who takes responsibility.