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kshri24 4 hours ago

> just use my evil technology

Ridiculous to say the technology, by itself, is evil somehow. It is not. It is just math at the end of the day. Yes you can question the moral/societal implications of said technology (if used in a negative way) but that does not make the technology itself evil.

For example, I hate vibe coding with a passion because it enables wrong usage (IMHO) of AI. I hate how easy it has become to scam people using AI. How easy it is to create disinformation with AI. Hate how violence/corruption etc could be enabled by using AI tools. Does not mean I hate the tech itself. The tech is really cool. You can use the tech for doing good as much as you can use it for destroying society (or at the very minimum enabling and spreading brainrot). You choose the path you want to tread.

Just do enough good that it dwarfs the evil uses of this awesome technology.

budududuroiu 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well, at this moment, the evil things done with technology vastly surpass the good things done with technology.

Democratisation of tech has allowed for more good to happen, centralisation the opposite. AI is probably one of the most centralisation-happy tech we've had in ages.

pixl97 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Centralization of technology has been happening at a rapid pace, and is only a tiny bit the fault of technology itself.

Capitalism demands profits. Competition is bad for profits. Multiple factories are bad for profits. Multiple standards are bad for profits. Expensive workers are bad for profits.

mrnaught 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“Just do enough good...”, it is hard to define what is "good". This tech has many dimensions and second-order effects, yet all the tech giants claim it a “net positive” without understanding fully what is unfolding.

robinhoode 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If we lived in a sane society, AI would actually be used for good.

AI is literally trained on by humans, used by humans. If humans are doing awful things with it, then it's because humans are awful right now.

I strongly feel this is related to the rise of fascism and wealth inequality.

We need a great conflict like WW2 to release this tension.

wk_end 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It is just math at the end of the day.

Not really - it's math, plus a bazillion jigabytes of data to train that math, plus system prompts to guide that math, plus data centers to do that math, plus nice user interfaces and APIs to interface with that math, plus...

Anyway, it's just kind of a meaninglessly reductive thing to say. What is the atom bomb? It's just physics at the end of the day. Physics can wreck havoc on the world; so can math.

johnnyanmac 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>Nothing either good nor bad but thinking makes it so - Shakespeare

That said, their thinking is that this can remove labor from their production, all while stealing works under the very copyright they setup. So I'd call that "evil" in every conventional sense.

>Just do enough good that it dwarfs the evil uses of this awesome technology.

The evil is in the root of the training, though. And sadly money is not coming from "good". I don't see any models focusing on ensuring it trains only on CC0/FOSS works, so it's hard to argue of any good uses with evil roots.

If they could do that at the bare minimum, maybe they can make the argument over "horses vs cars". As it is now, this is a car powered by stolen horses. (also I work in games, and generative AI is simply trash in quality right now).

pixl97 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Even this has little to do with AI and points right at the capitalist society that already exists. HN really doesn't like to talk about their golden child that let's money flow, but the concentration of wealth and IP by the super wealthy occurred before GenAI was a thing.

This also ignores the broken fucking copyright system that ensures once you create something you get many lifetimes of fucking off without having to work, so if genAI kills that I won't shed a tear.