The FCC and the FAA are two federal agencies that really don't want to mess with, so I hope for their sake they didn't actually spoof it. (.... I wish there were an FBB as well)

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varenc 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Seems like it wasn't actually spoofed radio signals, but spoofed data collection uploaded to adsbexchange. Still seems unlikely to make the FAA happy, but not as bad. I assume air traffic controllers aren't relying on adsbexchange?

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jjwiseman 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe not "rely" on, but some definitely use public ADS-B aggregator sites.

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ryandrake 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I highly doubt any ATC on duty is looking at a public ADS-B aggregator as a real time source of information for his or her job.

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jjwiseman 5 hours ago | parent [-]

There are non-radar towers that don't have scopes. They may have a traffic display, or maybe not. They might choose to use a public ADS-B aggregator site because it gives them situational awareness, but they don't use it to provide radar services to aircraft. That's my understanding from listening to a lot podcast episodes with air traffic controllers, anyway. I think it's an unofficial, non-FAA approved kind of thing that can make their jobs easier.

See https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/atc_html... for non-radar ATC procedures.

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rootusrootus 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> They might choose to use a public ADS-B aggregator site because it gives them situational awareness

I do not understand what the upside is, aside from saving a tiny amount of effort and cost -- they could get the same data with more reliability by just running their own ADS-B receiver, without having a dependency on a third-party.

	▲	fy20 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I'd assume it's more to see "whats the latest ETA for this aircraft that's scheduled for 1 hour?". Their own ADS-B receiver is unlikely to pick it up.
	▲	jjwiseman 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Imagine your boss doesn’t like you looking at ADS-B sites because it’s not data from an FAA approved system but as long as you’re discreet and not actually breaking a reg they don’t yell at you. Then they come in and see that you installed an antenna, RTL-SDR, and raspberry pi in the tower.
	▲	mschuster91 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> they could get the same data with more reliability by just running their own ADS-B receiver, without having a dependency on a third-party. Setting up an ADS-B receiver is indeed very cheap. Less than 100$. That's what many people, both aviation enthusiasts and ham radio operators, do for fun. The problem is, do that on an airport? You'll now need permits to install the antenna (needs to be covered in the lightning protection system and even if it's just a passive receiver probably someone needs to sign off on an antenna being added). Fire code means you'll need approval and specialized people to run the cable (you need to drill holes in fire walls). Maybe there's some law or regulation requiring approval or causing a paper trail (e.g. in Germany, all electrical appliances have to be isolation-tested and visually inspected every two years by an electrician). Doing that the proper way is an awful lot of work. And by that point, someone will notice "hey, a Raspberry Pi? An RTL-SDR stick from eBay? No way that is certified to be used in a safety critical environment", killing off the project or requiring a certified device costing orders of magnitude more money. In contrast, a privately owned laptop, tablet or phone with the Flightaware app? No one will give a shit about it unless someone relies on FA too much, causes an incident and that is found out.

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b00ty4breakfast 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

if there is any critical aviation service using a 3rd party website that relies on volunteer reporting of data, they deserve whatever happens

	▲	immibis 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
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cm2187 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

plus they did that right next to an airport

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cyanydeez 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Depends, how much did DOGE fuck with their leadership and management.

We now have to both identify obama judges, trump judges and trump bootlickers.