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Uehreka 6 hours ago

> Making up jobs to keep people employed isn't a viable solution to me. Supporting them in some way (re-training, UBI, service work, ...) seems like the only way forward.

If this is what you think needs to happen and you live in the US, then you should be freaking out right now, not calmly posting takes like this. UBI is not a thing almost any current American politician is considering, and the overton window is speeding in the opposite direction.

You should not expect people to be reasonable about this. I don’t know what the answer here is, but if you want it to be UBI, you need to fight for it. The alternatives (artificial price controls, the dumb make-work policies you correctly disdained, first-amendment-breaking/privacy-violating AI bans) are out there, and if you don’t fight for the thing you want, you’re gonna get one of those.

slibhb 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> UBI is not a thing almost any current American politician is considering, and the overton window is speeding in the opposite direction.

That will change real quick if everyone loses their job to AI. But until then, yeah, it's not going to happen, and it shouldn't.

Uehreka an hour ago | parent [-]

> That will change real quick if everyone loses their job to AI.

No, this is exactly my point: they will be angry, unreasonable, and thirsty for revenge. They’ll hand over freedoms like Halloween candy. How about a law where the government gets to survey your hard drive to make sure you’re not harboring an AI model? Sounds crazy, sounds insane, but in the current political climate I’d rate it more likely than UBI.

no_wizard 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I don’t know what the answer here is

Blood. If things don’t reverse course this trajectory historically leads to bloodshed.

In many respects it already has. How many people have died just this year already because businesses didn’t do what they were suppose to? Because cutting costs with no consequences is seen as the norm?

Of course nobody wants to account for those externalities and when that blood comes back on them they become scared and use government force instead. You’re seeing the trial run with ICE as we write our comments on this forum

WalterBright 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The math doesn't work out for UBI.

cptroot an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Would you like to elaborate why the math doesn't work out? An article explaining your position would be nice, but I'd settle for some broad gestures.

WalterBright 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

342,000,000 people in the US. Multiply by $10,000/yr.

Cost of UBI: 3,420,000,000,000

Where is $3.5 trillion going to come from?

joquarky 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

UBI will become at least as complicated as federal taxes. Perverse incentives will creep in.

WalterBright 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Paying people to not work will never work.

stonogo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's working in the farm bills for a hundred years.