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claude_sh_1959 a day ago

Smells like marketing stuff.. there are plenty of other places that i think are better.

kaashif a day ago | parent | next [-]

It's not based on marketing, it appears to be based on metrics like amount of venture capital raised.

jacquesm a day ago | parent | next [-]

It should be based on the number of successes relative to the amount raised or ROI and that picture is quite different. In that sense London is way behind SV.

dukeyukey 21 hours ago | parent [-]

The article doesn't dispute that London is way behind SV. What it's saying is that for non-US funding, London dominates.

jacquesm 21 hours ago | parent [-]

But it isn't true. For the rest of the world SV is still the place to go to, one way or another. The difference is just too big. What you could say is that London is the place to try to raise money if you can't raise in SV. But you'll have to realize that your chances of success are dramatically lower that way to the point that you're going to end up a with a small fraction of the stock yourself after the inevitable dilution through follow up rounds because you couldn't raise a large enough round to begin.

VC in London is harsh, both for the start-ups and for the VCs. What does happen is that a company manages to stay alive long enough to raise a secondary round in the USA, but then you can't really make the original claim in the TFA.

dukeyukey 21 hours ago | parent [-]

> But it isn't true. For the rest of the world SV is still the place to go to, one way or another.

We are using different meanings for the same phrase. SV is the best place to raise, IF YOU CAN AND ARE WILLING TO RAISE THERE. But not everyone can, nor does everyone want to. And of the locations that are not in the US, London dominates.

And hell, Americans raise in Boston, Seattle, NYC, and so on. Not even all Americans move to SV, let alone people who may not even get a visa to enter the US.

noosphr a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Given that London has little else going for it other than a financial industry it's not surprising money is raised and companies are registered there.

That said I don't know anyone doing a startup in London. But I know dozens in Berlin without even thinking about it.

dukeyukey a day ago | parent [-]

Eh, I know quite a few. LegalTech, hardware, obviously fintech, quite a bit of AI. But I work at a London startup so my social circle might be different to yours.

alephnerd a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Having a London domicile often leads to an overstating in venture capital raised for the UK ecosystem.

For example, I've funded Polish and Indian startups that chose the UK as their legal domicile because we couldn't be bothered to hire a legal team to draft a contract to Polish or Indian specifications.

Builder.ai [0] is a great example of that - it was an Indian startup that was domiciled in London to simplify raising capital from Gulf investors.

[0] - https://www.ft.com/content/926f4969-fda7-4e78-b106-4888c8704...

atlasunshrugged 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Does this also impact US metrics for capital raised? My understanding is that the Delaware C-Corp is still the startup standard for founders from anywhere in the world to raise global capital, which I imagine skews where the capital actually ends up flowing if they are actually building a company in a foreign location and just using the Delaware entity as a holding co.

alephnerd 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Somewhat, but not to the degree as you see in the UK, Singapore, or HK.

Until a couple years ago, it was difficult for someone without a SSN to create a Delaware C-Corp and even despite current political instability, the depth of IP, capital, and R&D available in the US is difficult to replicate outside China, Japan, and maybe India.

fakedang a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Startups like Builder AI use London because a.) they want to raise money from filthy rich Arab investors and b.) those guys are not known for doing much due diligence. They go more by vibes and hype and who's on the existing cap table. Also c.) they are very comfortable with London because it was so much easier back in the day to launder or siphon away funds from their home countries. London is an extremely popular destination for Gulf Arabs.

You'll get a lot of shady startups of that kind in London for this reason.

alephnerd 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Not all Arab investors are bad - for example, funds associated with the Emirate of Abu Dhabi (eg. ADIA, Mubadala) has been extremely successful in their investments explicitly because Tahnoon studied engineering in San Diego (and rolled at Gracie's gym) back in the day.

Additonally, for every failed investment like builder.ai a fund like QIA and MS Ventures has had multiple other successful investments.

The perception of "shadiness" in the London VC scene arises simply because a subset of non-American VC simply does not care about value investing and product-led growth.

Additonally, it's not like the UK doesn't have good VCs and Growth Equity investors - for example Index Ventures and Ballie Guiffold both have a solid track record.

Being overly congratulatory and being overly pessimistic about the UK scene does more harm than good.

dukeyukey a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For you specifically that may be true, but the numbers say London dominates by far.

paradox460 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sand Hill road

arjie a day ago | parent [-]

That would be pretty funny to say. Where are America's startups founded? Principally the San Francisco Bay Area. What about the Rest of the World? Oh, principally the San Francisco Bay Area.

It reminds me of the funny fact that for years I worked at a building in Bush St. that was nice but not particularly remarkable only to find out that that's where Saudi Aramco was originally headquartered when some Twitter post counted them for the Bay Area for their "Where are the top market capped public companies from?" segment.

captain_coffee a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Could you give only a few examples from those PLENTY of other places that are better? Like the first 10 that come to your mind, you made me very curious!

quentindanjou 21 hours ago | parent [-]

Not the person you asked but I am thinking of France and Germany. France has Station F (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_F).

There are also Portugal, Spain and Romania that are rising contenders. I am also very dubious of UK being "world first"

personjerry a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm waiting for the yearly "Waterloo is the Silicon Valley of Canada" article that always fails to deliver its promise.

I grew up in Waterloo but it's just not it lol.