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roncesvalles 3 hours ago

Exactly. Airfoil is an optimization. There is a common misconception that planes wouldn't get off the ground if you didn't have airfoil. No, most of the lift (depends on the plane but in the ballpark of 80-90%) comes from the overall shape of the wings. ~20% is from leading edge airfoil deflection dynamics.

And if, say, airfoil was never discovered, we'd probably design the whole wing slightly differently to compensate for it, so the actual difference wouldn't even be 20%.

Airfoil is about as important as winglets, and planes fly without winglets just fine. But nobody points to winglets and says that's the crucial bit that makes the whole thing work.

colechristensen 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Two ratios dominate aircraft design. Lift/Drag, Thrust/Weight

To get off the ground Lift > Weight, Thrust > Drag, or to simplify to stay aloft Lift = Weight, Thrust = Drag

Bigger engines weigh more.

To get off the ground you need an engine powerful enough to overcome the drag necessary to generate enough lift.

That is what enabled powered flight especially at the beginning. Wing design with a good enough lift to drag ratio and engine+propeller design that had a good enough thrust to drag ratio to come together for more lift than the aircraft weighed.

chrisweekly 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I was obsessed with fighter jets in my adolescence. My favorite plane was the F-15 Eagle; its thrust:weight ratio was greater than 1 -- meaning it could take off, point its nose straight up to vertical, and keep accelerating past mach 1. Amazing.

hypertexthero 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

The F-15C (and the F-16), yes.

The F-15E was a different story, which I remember from flamewars at flightsim forums over how slow of a climber it was :)