I think Apple gets a pass because they're a luxury product. For the record, even though Apple has some really impressive hardware, this is one of the reasons I'm not very big on Apple. People praise their phone's longevity all the time, but I think this is crazy. I could be running a 13 year old computer right now and it would work fine if I had Linux. Smartphones don't really have options for this due to the market capture. Apple's PC could be supported longer, but Apple isn't interested in doing it. (and apparently they change architectures every 15 years anyhow.)

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Sohcahtoa82 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I think Apple gets a pass because they're a luxury product.

No they aren't. They've just convinced everyone that they are.

I've seen people meme about Android being for people who couldn't afford an iPhone when the fact is that a flagship Android costs just as much as an iPhone.

	▲	sysworld 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I tried a "flagship Android" phone once (the top of the line Samsung), it was bugging the second I opened the pack. I returned it and got a cheap Pixel budget line phone. Then a few years later I jumped ship to iPhone, and largely am very happy now. Nothing is perfect, but for me, iPhone is the best I've tried.
	▲	b00ty4breakfast 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		That's the contemporary luxury market for nearly all goods; signifiers that tell folks "this item is more valuable because it has the magic sigil" or whatever.
	▲	jjkaczor 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		That is the reality of pretty much every "luxury product/brand"... It is convincing people to pay a premium for what is still at the end of the day a stitched leather bag, watch, computer or smartphone made in factories like everything else. People pay for names, to project their luxury lifestyle. It is very rare that the actual quality/performance of a "luxury item" is dramatically above a high-quality equivalent. Does a Rolex tell time and look better than a Breitling? Or a Tag Heur? Or a Seiko? Each of those represents a different price/style point - and ultimately it is subjective to a consumer - who wants to project a certain style/look.
	▲	kid64 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Or several times more, in some cases
	▲	frumplestlatz 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> No they aren't. They've just convinced everyone that they are. What’s the difference? Either way, Apple consistently makes decisions that I think put them on the side of “luxury item” — even if I often disagree with those decisions.

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firesteelrain 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I ran iPhone 6 and 8 well beyond their years. I only replaced because the batteries were already replaced once. But otherwise the phone was fine. I have had same issues with laptops

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gregors 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I used to install linux on older mac hardware and donate it. I don't think that works anymore with with the M chips (at least in the same easy way)

	▲	sysworld an hour ago \| parent [-]
		You can install Asahi Linux on some of the M chips. But you are right, it's not as easy as it used to be.