| ▲ | dfajgljsldkjag 3 hours ago |
| This looks like it will help a lot of students and families who are on a budget. If you can just plug your phone into a screen you do not need to buy a separate laptop anymore. The browser extensions are the most important part because that is what makes a computer useful. I am glad to see they are thinking about this. |
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| ▲ | joe_mamba 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| >This looks like it will help a lot of students and families who are on a budget. If you can just plug your phone into a screen you do not need to buy a separate laptop anymore. Except that android phones with display output are mostly flagships with flagship prices. But 50 Euros on the used market got me a retired corporate HP/Dell laptop with 1080p screen, intel 8th gen i5 quad core, 8GB RAM and 256GB NVME on which I put Linux. Way better for studying and productivity than my android phone hooked up to the TV. It's a nice feature to have as a backup in case my laptop dies, but I wouldn't daily drive an android phone as a desktop computer for productivity. |
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| ▲ | gf000 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A 2-3 generation old pixel on the second hand marker is not expensive at all though. And you easily add a mouse/keyboard just fine to it. | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >A 2-3 generation old pixel on the second hand marker is not expensive at all though. Sure but at around 300 bucks is still way over 50 bucks. And even if you get a used Pixel 8, having separate phone and computer adds a priceless layer of redundancy and flexibility. If someone steals my phone, I don't want to also loose my work PC with it. | | |
| ▲ | cogman10 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You are also buying a soon to be unmaintained device which will fall out of security support. That $50 PC can run linux with the latest kernel for the next 20 years (maybe longer). | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | There's lineageOS for outdated pixel device, but I think you loose device attestation if you flash that, so your banking, payment and digital-ID apps won't work anymore which is kind of important features for a lot of people. I still think separating a phone for phone apps and a PC for productivity, is the best choice even if that PC is a 20 year old rustbucket from the dumpster, it will still do more tasks than a phone. You can't learn photoshop on a phone. | | |
| ▲ | cogman10 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The lineageOS kernel isn't guaranteed to be super up to date. It's often based on the manufacturer's kernel. There's also possibly binary blobs involved which can't be checked or updated. | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba an hour ago | parent [-] | | If your device is on the official supported list then it will always be up to date to a point. You're not gonna get android 16 on 10+ year old phones. |
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| ▲ | IncreasePosts 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Your banking app might not work but your bank probably also offers a web page that you can just load up in your browser |
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| ▲ | semi-extrinsic 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Isn't Pixel 10 the first one with fully supported desktop mode? I remember I was very confused when buying a Pixel 7 to replace my (then 3 year old) Huawei P30 Pro, and the inferior camera + lack of desktop mode made it feel like a net downgrade. | | | |
| ▲ | jeffbee 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Note that such capabilities were added to the 8 after it launched. When they launched it they did not even mention that it contains displayport alt mode. |
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| ▲ | nutjob2 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You don't wired need display output, just WiFi. Motorola's Smart Connect desktop uses Miracast for using TVs and the like as desktop monitors as well as wired. I got my moto g84 5G with 8/256 GB for about 170 euros new and it supports it (not wired). Seems to work fine. | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is it any good? Last time I tried miracast the framerate and video quality was total garbage due to shit compression. Barely worked for streaming youtube videos to the TV but no way I could do it for productivity. | | |
| ▲ | cromka 8 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Same here. The only way to make streaming between devices is the way Apple does it, directly, not via Access Point. |
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| ▲ | okokwhatever 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you understand how much are 50 bucks in a third world country? I mean, Android phone is not the cheapest solution for the poor (obviously) but it helps a lot having this kind of features for a family. | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Do you understand how much are 50 bucks in a third world country? Yes I do, no need to patronize us with that since even in 3rd world countries people have access to old computers from ewaste imports at a reasonable price, we don't all live in straw mudhuts wearing loincloths swinging from branch to branch. Now tell me which 50 euro phone ships with display output and is readily available. AFAIK Oneplus 7T I had is the cheapest with that feature but still over 50 and official SW goes to Android 12. Not sure if flashing lineage will still keep display output feature. Then there's the issue of availability in 3rd world countries, where it might be easier to find some scrapped Dell optiplex with a core 2 duo, or a beat up Acer from the windows 7 era for cheap at your local market versus a cheap android with display output capabilities being more of a unicorn. Sure you'll find your Pixel 8s and or Samsung S24s too, but those imports don't come cheap there, compared to the masses of lesser known cheap chinese phones but those don't have display output and their software is shit. Plus, if you go that route of Pixel 8 as a pc, you still need the budget for an external display, mouse and keyboard and your battery will wear out much faster. So then why not get a cheap laptop which has all the peripherals? Plus 2, old phones age very poorly performance wise, they slow down a lot due to thermal paste and battery degradation and nobody makes quality OP 7T batteries anymore to do a swap and get back to out of the box performance. What you find on Aliexpress now are fakes or poor quality clones. While a laptop is much easier to repair and maintain as parts wear out or break. | | |
| ▲ | izacus an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Can you be specific which countries are you talking about? Because you seem to be in a word fight with very vague arguments and with someone else with very vague arguments and it's not even clear you're talking about same things. So can you be clear on: - Which counties you're talking about?
- Why are those countries important to think about in this case?
- Why doesn't this feature help people from regions that can afford a mid-to-top range smartphone? | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba an hour ago | parent [-] | | >- Which counties you're talking about? Pick any you like, Income/GDP is more important metric rather than which specific country. >- Why are those countries important to think about in this case? Why are you asking me? Ask the people who brought up third world countries as the target user base for phones with display output. I'm the one not agreeing with this point since it's stupid. >- Why doesn't this feature help people from regions that can afford a mid-to-top range smartphone? I explained already below in detail why. But to reiterate in short, if your monthly income is in the ~200$ a month ballpark, you're not gonna be spending 300$ on a mid-to-top range smartphone just for the display output feature even if you managed to save up that money. Even in Europe some people skoff at paying 300 Euros for a phone but some here think people in nations with 10x less income are somehow the userbase for this feature because in their mind those people can't afford a 20$ dumpster PC, but somehow they can afford a 300$ pixel 8 and external monitor. |
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| ▲ | drecked 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is mistaken in a few way. 1. In 3rd world countries everyone has a phone, usually android, no matter how poor the are. Irrespective of whether or not it has desktop capabilities. So any phone purchase is already part of their baseline expenses. 2. Any desktop/laptop purchase, even if it is $1, is an extra $1. 3. The screens/keyboards/mouse again will not likely be purchased by individuals themselves. They will have “Internet cafes”, libraries, schools, etc where those screens will be provided. | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >This is mistaken in a few way. Only when you ignore the numbers. >1. [...] So any phone purchase is already part of their baseline expenses. Yeah but that base line expense can be 50$ or $300. Big difference. Not everyone in 3rd world countries has 300 for a Pixel 8. That's the biggest flaw in your argument. That, and the fact that walking around with an exotic 300$ Pixel 8 flags you as a potential target for mugging in the wrong neighbourhoods, verus a beat up 50$ Samsung or Huawei. >2. Any desktop/laptop purchase, even if it is $1, is an extra $1. Hence why a 50$ laptop and a 50$ android phone leaves you better off than blowing 300$ on just the phone alone. And if even 1$ is THAT critical to your daily survival, then you're not buying 300$ phones anyway to begin with. You're buying the cheapest you can get so that in case it gets stolen you don't lose 6 months of savings. >3. The screens/keyboards/mouse again will not likely be purchased by individuals themselves. They will have “Internet cafes”, libraries, schools, etc where those screens will be provided. You think in 3rd world countries people just have displays with USB-C docks, keyboards and mice everywhere in public and at home? I know it's getting difficult to tell them apart these days, but we're talking about 3rd world countries, not the bay area. | |
| ▲ | kasabali an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | you've missed: 4. used electronics in 3rd world countries are much more expensive compared to developed ones (because not as much units were sold when they were new to begin with), so 50 euros will get you a 3rd gen in a poor condition at best (or some shit tier Celeron N-thousand something with a soldered 4GB RAM) | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba an hour ago | parent [-] | | Few issues with that. For one, PCs still make it there via ewaste shipments that then get repaired and sold for cheap, so you can have decent variety of old stuff. And secondly, even a "3rd gen in a poor condition at best (or some shit tier Celeron N-thousand something with a soldered 4GB RAM)" as you call it, is better for learning marketable skills and making stuff, than whatever you can do on your phone, since office jobs will ask for skills with using a PC, not how skilled you are using a phone. But hey, if you think you can pass through engineering school with only a phone and no computer, then all power to you. | | |
| ▲ | kasabali 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > For one, PCs still make it there via ewaste shipments that then get repaired and sold for cheap, so you can have decent variety of old stuff. No you can't. Unlike you, I'm talking from experience when I'm telling what €50 gets you in used marked in a non-developed country. | | |
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| ▲ | Zak 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Android Chrome not having extensions is just a build option toggle. It doesn't have extensions because Google doesn't want it to, not for technical reasons. |
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| ▲ | NewsaHackO 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yea, I very much doubt they would ever put a browser extension on this. It's funny, I feel as though reading some Google dev's response on reddit about why mobile chrome didn't have extensions was my inflection point when I started to realize they were becoming evil. | | |
| ▲ | izacus an hour ago | parent [-] | | There's literally a screenshot of Chrome with extensions in the article you're comenting on. Why are you confidently commenting if you didn't even attempt to read the article? | | |
| ▲ | NewsaHackO an hour ago | parent [-] | | >Android Chrome not having extensions is just a build option toggle. It doesn't have extensions because Google doesn't want it to, not for technical reasons. The leak screenshots are from the dev version of the app. It has not been confirmed to actually have extensions enabled in the prod version, which is what the parent poster was talking about. It would have been prudent to actually read the post I was replying to and the actual article, not just look at pictures. |
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| ▲ | jerlam 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't think this leak implies that (all/some) Android phones will get desktop projection. It just means that Android has a desktop OS and is likely replacing ChromeOS as has been rumored for a while. |
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| ▲ | bigstrat2003 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What makes a computer useful is the form factor (decent size screen, mouse and keyboard instead of touch controls) and having full control of the system. It has nothing to do with browser extensions. |
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| ▲ | ashleyn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How will this succeed where the Motorola Atrix failed way back in 2011? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/03/the-motorola-atrix-4... |
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| ▲ | bsimpson 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | ChromeOS has a bigger influence on the market than a random phone model from CES when Android was still establishing itself. | |
| ▲ | ortusdux 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How as adoption been for Samsung's DEX? | | |
| ▲ | wronglebowski 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I've only used it when I'm in a pinch but it's handy. Blowing up mobile apps to a larger screen and multitasking isn't ideal certainly but I've been able to handle "email job" type activities while out of pocket. That said I've never heard of anyone else who's actually used it. |
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| ▲ | wat10000 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Phones were way less powerful 15 years ago and native software was much more important. A modern phone CPU running a browser on a larger screen takes care of a lot of what you need these days. |
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| ▲ | lifetimerubyist 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah and we’ll be forced to do this because nobody can afford computers anymore because of Ram and SSD prices because of companies like Google buying it all up at extortionist prices. We’re going backwards by putting all of our compute back in the warehouse. |
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| ▲ | echelon 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| As Google's domination continues, the US and EU need to force mobile OS vendors to open up platforms for third party app installation without gatekeeping, deep menu toggles, or scare walls. You already need a phone to pay for parking, order at residents, identify yourself with the government, etc. Two companies should not dictate essential life function interaction. The monopoly grip on this is so tight that it's almost impossible to compete. |