Like literally scan your palm? There’s no way that’s on device like a fingerprint reader on your iPhone either. You’re okay with just providing biometric data to a large corp like that. Makes me shudder.

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ceejayoz 12 hours ago | parent [-]

You wave your hand over a camera.

At this point I presume they collect such biometrics whether I like it or not; they have cameras everywhere.

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lxgr 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Isn't it a deep vein scanner? Much harder to spoof than still images or even video.

	▲	ceejayoz 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Hard to spoof. Not hard to collect.

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dyauspitr 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A grainy image of your palm from a surveillance camera capture is not going to expose biometric data. Your hand needs to be close enough to make out the detail required. Then tying that to your identity is very hard and takes manhours, not something you can replicate at scale. You’re giving them your palm print/vein scan tied to your identity on a plate. It’s very irresponsible.

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ceejayoz 12 hours ago | parent [-]

> A grainy image of your palm

I really doubt getting a reasonably good image of my hand is tough for Amazon. But they don't really need my palm at all; most of the point of that was probably that it'd be much freakier to normies if the self-checkout just said "hi Bob!" when you got close via facial recognition.

> Then tying that to your identity is very hard and takes manhours…

That seems deeply unlikely. I'm probably on 50 different cameras at a Whole Foods, some of which I'd never notice, and at some point I have to check out, which ties all that footage to a credit card and my Prime account if I don't want to pay the non-deal prices for everything.

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dyauspitr 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Faces are easier to change. Grow a beard, wear some glasses, put on some weight or some surgery if you really need to. Can’t change your eye print, finder prints, vein pattern or DNA.

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ceejayoz 11 hours ago | parent [-]

That's not really been the case for years now.

Apple's FaceID can figure out who you are even with a N95 mask and sunglasses on.

And in most scenarios, you're gonna a) pay with a card with your name on it and b) head out to your car with its unique ID prominently displayed on it.

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dyauspitr 8 hours ago | parent [-]

FaceID fails more than 85% of the time with a mask, sunglasses and a brimmed hat that covers the forehead.

Again, you can ditch your car but your biometric data will go into a pool that will be available to cross check against in perpetuity.

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ceejayoz 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Now you're "that one guy who wears the mask, sunglasses, and a hat inside".

Pay cash every time and you're even more noticeable.

And then they start doing gait analysis or something, or use everyone's Ring camera to figure out where you come from.

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dyauspitr 5 hours ago | parent [-]

No one is individually observing you like that, no one has time for that. Your palm print will get run during routine searches in a thousand police departments across the country regularly and with whatever hellscape this administration has planned for down the road.

	▲	ceejayoz 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> No one is individually observing you like that, no one has time for that. That’s what the computers and cameras are for. Ring cameras happily use a LLM to describe people on your porch already.