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Scientist who helped eradicate smallpox dies at age 89(scientificamerican.com)
182 points by CrossVR 4 days ago | 29 comments
olivia-banks 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Paywall-free link: https://archive.today/Toq4Y

octate 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He did a great service to humanity

andrewflnr 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's got to be one of the greatest legacies in all human history. No politician or other empire-builder comes close.

WalterBright 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Food produced by Fritz Haber's Haber-Bosch process (making fertilizer) supports about half of the world's population.

jfengel 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And it comes at a time when a disease we were working on eliminating, measles, has come back and the US is about to lose its measles-free status.

It sounds as if his legacy is to be unique, a feat never to be accomplished again.

quesera 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We still have another chance for eradication in humans with Polio.

3eb7988a1663 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Not if the CIA has anything to say about it: CIA fake vaccination campaign in Pakistan[0]

  ...The program was ultimately unsuccessful in locating Osama bin Laden. It led to the arrest of a participating physician, Shakil Afridi, and was widely ridiculed as undermining public health.[2][3] The program is credited with increasing vaccine hesitancy in Pakistan[4][5][6][7] and a rise in violence against healthcare workers for being perceived as spies.[8] The rise in vaccine hesitancy following the program led to the re-emergence of polio in Pakistan, with Pakistan having by far the largest number of polio cases in the world by 2014.[8]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_fake_vaccination_campaign_...
epistasis 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Perhaps I'm overly an optimist, but I have a feeling we will develop the informational and psychological technology to combat the destructive misinformation campaigns that brainwash people into harming their children with anti-vaccine beliefs.

We are not there yet, because the destructive media forces are too new and we haven't developed defenses against information diseases like RFK Jr. But we will get there. Two steps forward, one step back.

vkou 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

Who is we, who will pay for it, and how will such informational inoculation benefit the rich?

The current media status quo, and its consequences does, which is why we get to enjoy it.

s0rce 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Norman Borlaug probably comes close. H. Trendley Dean was also impactful on a large scale, while its seemingly less important it helps a lot of people.

davidgay 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Pasteur wins this one, though.

vkou 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is there any way that people can work to re-introduce it into society? I know some folks are making a lot of progress with MMR.

wesleywt 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Politicians and empire-builders (Elon) is currently standing in the way of human progress and history.

deadbabe 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Genghis Khan??

andrewflnr 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I thought it was clear from my statement about politicians and empire builders that I was talking about people who did good, useful things.

iwontberude 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Greatest, not most fucked

m-hodges 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t think many people know about or remember the 2003 smallpox vaccination campaign.¹

> The campaign aimed to provide the smallpox vaccine to those who would respond to an attack, establishing Smallpox Response Teams and using DryVax (containing the NYCBOH strain) to mandatorily vaccinate half a million American military personnel, followed by half a million health care worker volunteers by January 2004. The first vaccine was administered to then-President George W. Bush.

¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_United_States_smallpox_va...

cucumber3732842 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Nobody in Hn type circles wants to remember it because looking back with hindsight it was clearly just part of the theater to get people wringing their hands about whatever chemical or biological WMDs they alleged Saddam had and they killed the program as so as they got their invasion.

Wikipedia somehow makes it eve worse than that:

"The campaign ended early in June 2003, with only 38,257 civilian health care workers vaccinated, after several hospitals refused to participate due to the risk of the live virus infecting vulnerable patients and skepticism about the risks of an attack, and after over 50 heart complications were reported by the CDC."

kwhat4 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just in time to roll over in his grave.

quesera 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Smallpox is not measles! But, point taken.

sowbug 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And to see himself become the villain.

junon 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah how dare he... helps eradicate diseases!

sowbug 4 hours ago | parent [-]

At least he went down fighting (https://archive.is/M4nek, the op-ed referenced in the article). That's an impressively dignified response to a gobsmacking shift in public opinion. In his position, I might have given up and gone full Two-Face.

(https://screenrant.com/the-dark-knight-best-two-face-harvey-... for those unfamiliar with the quote)

webdoodle 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Except it wasn't eradicated. It's still stored at the US's Fort Detrick, and in Russian and Chinese bioweapons facilities, too be released as a bioweapon, now that no one has natural immunity anymore.

CaliforniaKarl 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm starting to think that we should be calling it "contained", not "eradicated". Eradication invites the question "Well then, why do we still need the vaccine?"

rolph an hour ago | parent | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_virus_retention_debat...

yen223 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most people nowadays are not vaccinated against smallpox anymore

dgacmu 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It really is eradicated - it's the only human disease we've truly eradicated. There are literally no more cases of smallpox in the wild, period.

The problem is that there are samples of viable virus in the labs of the US and Russia. So - it's eradicated but we have to keep stockpiles of vaccine around anyway. But nobody gets vaccined for it any more; it has an unfavorable risk-benefit ratio when the virus simply does not circulate. Smallpox kills ~30% of people who get infected with it; the first-generation vaccine had a mortality rate of about 1 in 1,000,000.

(There are newer-generation vaccines developed and being developed that have an even better safety profile but we still wouldn't use them because the cost - the literal cost and the side effects and general "meh, why get another shot?"-ness outweighs the benefit of protection against something you don't need protection against.)

quesera 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We don't vaccinate against smallpox, but keep in mind that at least two countries maintain live smallpox virus in government labs.

The bad actors are predictable. And I suspect at least two others are lying.