It’s ironic to me that a European such as yourself would sit comfortably in a context where people are being regularly arrested and jailed for statements made online, in the UK and Germany, particularly, and look elsewhere to find oppression.

The deporting of illegal immigrants is not oppression - it’s fundamental to a free society that a people have the right to determine who may enter into and participate in their society.

This is simply not true.

Some people are investigated because they spread lies, insults and threats. Things that would be investigated (and punished) as well, if done "off line".

The freedom of speech does not mean "freedom to harass, threat or insult people".

The oppression of free speech seems to be happening much more in the USA, where you are not allowed to criticize the politics of the ruling party any more.

This misses the point of how "deportation", snatching of those from communities and decision-making for whom is illegal is actually occurring, and how people are being snatched with disregard to their actual state as a citizen, resident or otherwise of the United States of America.

When facial recognition is said to outrank any other proof, such as a birth certificate, one cannot claim to be operating in good faith when one allows for fallible systems to decide the lives of American citizenry, encourages false imprisonment and allows for violence to be recklessly committed against people who were guilty of no crime at all.

(also, the United States and Canada are alike in their statuses as countries formed of immigrants; we close the door now simply because we feel those coming today are ineducated or don't fit our racial preferences? No different than was done to Chinese people say a hundred years prior.)

Deportation of illegal immigrants happened in the previous administrations and nothing like the current chaos unfolded.

I grant that some people protesting against the raids are likely doing that because they don't want illegals to be deported,

but I suspect most of the pushback is against the way this whole thing has been set up and the way agents handled the encounters with protesters so far, leading towards a spiral of distrust and a polarization of the issue.

There seems to be an indication that many of the ICE agents have been insufficiently trained to perform police work in a proper and safe way. and instead behave very aggressively. The abuse of racial profiling is making non-white citizens (including native Americans!) feel unsafe too. To make things worse, there is a loud group of people who are cheering the though guys from the sidelines/armchairs.

People who share those concerns are not necessarily pro-illegal immigration. I know things can be done differently because they have been done differently.

But in this case, one political movement is leveraging the deportation rhetoric to rile up their base, providing another political movement the ammonito to call them tyrannical and riling up their base, which in turn causes the first movement to justify their aggressiveness as counterinsurgence.

This doesn't lead to a good place and it has nothing to do with the fact that the country deserves a sane immigration policy.

The current immigration situation is utterly broken, but it has become such over time (and has many complicated facets) but the idea that this can be fixed in a haste by applying lunt force is the product of a new low point in politics.

Note the extreme downvoting on the comment I'm replying to. HN has a strong left-wing bias.

Don't expect the views expressed on this site to be at all representative of the American public. I consider myself a center-left moderate (never voted for Trump). From my perspective this site is pretty close to being a far-left echo chamber.

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