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lateforwork 9 hours ago

> unless we demand answers from Congress, and hold SCOTUS responsible for partisan abdication of their constitutional duties.

You can demand answers from Congress, but until a significant portion of the GOP base demands answers, they are just going to ignore your demands. As of now 39% of Americans support the administration. Also, you can't hold SCOTUS responsible, only Congress can.

xeonmc 9 hours ago | parent [-]

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epistasis 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Currently they are attempting to strip our second amendment rights. They murdered a man in the street, from hands up to shit in the back in under 20 seconds, merely for lawful possession and in direct violation of the 2nd amendment. The President is bumbling around today mumbling "you can't bring a gun to a protest" when yes the 2nd amendment directly allows that.

A lot of people that care a lot about the 2nd amendment saw the photo of Pretti's gun on the ICE rental car seat, and they saw a well-used, well-cared-for weapon that was clean and seen a lot time at the range. They saw that it can happen to somebody just like them.

Forgeties79 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> you can't bring a gun to a protest" when yes the 2nd amendment directly allows that.

They conveniently forgot their excuses for Rittenhouse. Guess they all changed their mind and think he should be arrested.

epistasis 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The core belief of the Trump administration is that there are two groups: an in-group which the law protects but does not bind, and an out-group which the law binds but does not protect. --Someone far more insightful than me

pfannkuchen 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As often happens these days, I’m confused at the hysteria here.

Police messed up and someone got killed. I feel like outrage is warranted if nothing is done about it, but after seeing the videos I’m fairly confident this won’t get swept under the rug. Will we retract our outrage when a conviction is delivered? Is there a reason we expect nothing to come of this?

jfengel 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Because the people doing the investigating are on the side of the people who committed the crimes. And the people who voted for them seem predisposed to vote for them again, even if this gets swept under the rug.

News cycles go fast. Outrage is quickly forgotten. Now more than ever, as there are new outrages coming on the heels of the last.

anigbrowl 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As often happens these days, I’m confused at the hysteria here.

No you're not. You're choosing words like 'hysteria' to delegitimize others' opinions while striking a posture of disinterested neutrality.

defrost 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm an outsider, I can well understand the ever growing outrage.

In a nutshell, to date, US ICE & DHS interactions have resulted in 10 people shot **, 3 people killed, and established a pattern of high level officials immediately blatently lying and contradicting video evidence.

That pattern includes obvious attempts to avoid investigation, to excuse people involved, to not investigate the bigger picture of how interactions are staged such that civilian deaths are inevitable.

It's good to see the citizens of the US dig in and demand that federal forces and federal heads of agencies be held accountable for clearly screwed up deployments and behaviours.

** My apologies, I just saw a Wash Post headliine that indicates it is now 16 shootings that are being actively swept under a rug.

hedora 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A lot of people would disagree with your use of the word “police.”

They wear masks, don’t get warrants before entering houses, regularly arrest American citizens, and are operating far from anything a reasonable person would call an immigration or customs checkpoint.

Also, they’ve been ordered in public (by Trump) and private (by superiors) to violate the law, and have been promised “absolute immunity” for their crimes (by Trump).

One other thing: Trump and his administration have made it clear (in writing) that ICE’s mission in Minnesota is to terrorize the public until Governor Walz makes a bunch of policy changes that the courts have declined to force. So, there’s no reasonable argument to be made that they’re acting as law enforcement.

skissane 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Will we retract our outrage when a conviction is delivered? Is there a reason we expect nothing to come of this?

I doubt the Trump DOJ will want to prosecute this. Now, if Democrats win in 2028, maybe the Newsom (or whoever) DOJ will-but Trump might just give everyone involved a pardon on the way out the door. And I doubt a state prosecution would survive the current SCOTUS majority.

So yes, there are decent reasons to suspect “nothing to come of this” in the purely legal domain. Obviously it is making an impact in the political domain.

Forgeties79 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Police messed up and someone got killed.

ICE, a federal agency and not a state or municipal police force, had a man face down and unarmed. There were what, half a dozen of them? He was completely subdued. They then shot him in the back.

This was not a “mistake.” This was murder.

habinero 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is no investigation. They haven't even released the officers' names.

nawgz 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is your ignorance intentional? The FBI raided the ICE agents home to remove incriminating paraphernalia and blocked normal investigative processes. Heads of various agencies staffed by Trump loyalists called the victim a domestic terrorist while a video showed him being shit kicked and not meaningfully resisting before being executed by an agent who I would be doing a service to by calling undisciplined.

The entire fact that ICE is in Minnesota instead of a border state with heavier illegal immigration on patrols performing illegal 4th-amendment violating door to door raids is already a complete abomination in the face of American’s rights and their constitution.

And you disapprove of outrage over an innocent man being extrajudicially executed in the face of all of this?

Let me know how the boot tasted so at least I can learn something from this

RIMR 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is what I don't understand about American authoritarians. Historically speaking, if you try to take away the liberty of Americans, they respond with lethal violence.

Britain tried to tax Americans without government representation, and they started sending the tax man home naked and covered in tar, feathers, and third-degree burns. These stories are then taught to schoolchildren as examples of how Americans demand freedom above all else.

If the powers that be keep doing whatever they want without consequence, eventually there will be consequences, and those consequences very well could be the act of being physically removed from their ivory towers and vivisected in the streets.

fsckboy 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

according to urban dictionary, wolfenstein as a verb means

To kill or utterly destroy a large group of enemies with an extreme overabundance of weapons and items, including throwing knives to the head, poison, stabs to the neck or back, kicks to the chest, shoves off of high ledges, multiple headshots, artillery, panzer rockets, flames, dynamite, mines, construction pliers, airstrikes, or even slamming a door into someone's chest. Wolfensteining a group of enemies requires that every kill be performed using a different method

you are calling for extreme violence?

wizzwizz4 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

According to Urban Dictionary, cat as a noun means:

> an epic creature that will shoot fire at you if you get near it. you can usually find one outside or near/in a house. its main abilities are to chomp and scratch but they can also pounce, shoot lasers out of their eyes, be cute, jump as high as they want, and fly. do not fight one unless you are equipped with extreme power armor and heavy assault cannons. […]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cat

Forgeties79 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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fsckboy 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I think that is what he is doing, I think it's an accurate expression of his thinking.

I was informing the community what the word means after putting in the effort to look it up.

If you are not curious, if you can't handle differences of opinion, you don't belong here.

Forgeties79 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I don’t object to you defining something.

> I think that is what he is doing, I think it's an accurate expression of his thinking.

It isn’t. It is like saying “you can do that but you will eventually get beat up.” That is not saying “people should beat you up.” There is a world of difference in those 2 statements. Your accusation hinges on the worst possible - debatably possible at best tbh - interpretation of their statement. It is bait, it is dishonest, and you’re being intentional about it.

This is not a difference of opinion, this is not curiosity, you are just being difficult.