But pardons only apply to federal crimes… murder is a state offense.

toomuchtodo 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Correct, state charges are mostly pardon proof and there is no statute of limitations on murder.

So ... you're saying that this militia as every incentive to overthrow democratie so that they never get prosecuted, right ?

See where this is going ?

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toomuchtodo 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The US couldn't win a war in the middle east with trillions of dollars, thousands of soldiers dead, and tens of thousands substantially wounded. Hasn't won a war since WW2. Is everything going swimmingly? Certainly not. There are 340M Americans, ~20k-30k ICE folks, and ~1M soldiers on US soil. These odds don't keep me up at night. 77% of US 18-24 cohort don't qualify for military service without some form of waiver (due to obesity, drug use, or mental health issues).

I admit, US propaganda is very good at projecting an image of strength. I strongly doubt it is prepared for a civil ground war, based on all available evidence. It cannot even keep other nation states out of critical systems. See fragile systems for what they are.

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jfengel 8 hours ago | parent [-]

There are 340 million Americans, but 80 million of them voted for this administration, and another 80 million were not interested either way. Only about 20% of the population voted to oppose it.

If you're imagining a large scale revolt, figure that the revolutionaries will be outnumbered by counter-revolutionaries, even without the military. (Which would also include police forces amounting to millions more.)

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		I have no confidence in the gravy seals of this country, broadly speaking. What’s the average health and age of someone who voted for this? Not great, based on the evidence, especially considering the quality of ICE folks (bottom of the barrel). https://www.kff.org/from-drew-altman/trump-voters-on-medicai... https://kffhealthnews.org/morning-breakout/voters-in-trump-c... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8294501/

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mothballed 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They don't need to overthrow democracy, they just need to use jurisdiction removal to have the state charges placed in federal court, and then appeal it up to SCOTUS who will overturn the decision.

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dragonwriter 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, they are entirely Presidential pardon proof, but each state usually has its own pardon provisions. Unlikely to benefit ICE agents as a broad class in any of the places where conflicts over their role are currently prominent, though.

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lokar 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They should charge it as a criminal conspiracy and use the state felony murder statute to go after leadership.