| ▲ | wyldberry 11 hours ago |
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| ▲ | epistasis 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East This is a horrifying and very unpariortic thing to say about people who are trying to prevent their daycares from being tear bombed, prevent masked thugs from beating detained law-abiding citizens before releasing them without charges, from masked thugs killing law-abiding people for exercising basic rights. King George would have used that language. We sent him the Declaration of Independence, and the list of wrongs in that document is mostly relevant again today. If you are framing this as insurgency, I place my bet on the strong people fighting bullets with mere whistles and cameras, as they are already coming out on top. If they ever resort to a fraction of the violence that the masked thugs are already using, they will not lose. |
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| ▲ | spiderice 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Their daycares, or their "daycares"? Not clear which one you mean. | | |
| ▲ | epistasis 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | I was not aware of that fake daycare propaganda until someone else exposed its meaning later in the thread. As a parent, you should know that believing this obviously false propaganda requires both 1) a weird and overly specific interest in daycares, and 2) not enough normal healthy exposure to kids to understand what daycares don't let weird freaks come inspect the children. Namely, repeating this obvious lie gives off pedo vibes, and I would never let you near my children after hearing you gobble up that propaganda uncritically and then even going so far as to spread it. Ick |
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| ▲ | tokyobreakfast 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | garciasn 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://www.minnpost.com/other-nonprofit-media/2026/01/heres... From the MinnPost article: Most child care centers are locked and have obscured doors or windows for children’s safety. Children are also kept in classrooms and would not likely be visible from a reception area. One of the day cares in the video told several news outlets that it did not grant Shirley entrance because he showed up with a handful of masked men, which raised suspicions that the men were agents with Immigration and Customs Enforcement. At least one of the centers was closed at the time Shirley arrived because it opens later in the day to serve the children of second-shift workers. Is there a history of child care fraud in the state? Yes, but it’s not as widespread as Shirley claims. | | |
| ▲ | ascagnel_ 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not a MN resident, but both the daycare my child attended before starting school and every daycare in my area have a combination of tinted/obscured windows and strict access control, even for parents (eg: a parent isn't allowed to make a "surprise inspection" without a court order). If anything, I'd be suspicious of (and not send my child to) any daycare that _didn't_ have those security features. |
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| ▲ | wahnfrieden 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Please don't spread propaganda lies here pretending it to be a majority of cases to such an extreme. You saw some clips of people investigating doorway entrances and lobby areas and were shocked the lobbies aren't full of children hovering at the exit's threshold because you were told to expect them there. In fact what you saw was someone unable to find any of the evidence that has existed. | | |
| ▲ | spiderice 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ah yes, Tim isn't running again because there is no truth to it. My god. Some of you are so obsessed with the "narrative" that you'll look at the sun and say it's night. | | |
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| ▲ | GuinansEyebrows 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | oh good, people on Hacker News Dot Com are taking Nick Shirley at face value. | |
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| ▲ | wyldberry 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | saubeidl 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They're using IEDs and suicide bombings??? | |
| ▲ | epistasis 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't what you are talking about but it's nonsense and offensive, a bald faced lie so outrageous that people are supposed to be shocked into silence? The tactics being used are: * whistles
* recording with phones
* free speech
* communication with neighbors
* sharing with neighbors, ala potlucks
* training each other on legal means of resistance
* caring for people kicked out of detention centers in the dead of winter without their coats or phones
* bringing meals to families that are afraid to leave the house, since the political persecution is largely a function of skin color, as numerous police chiefs have attested when recounting what ICE/CBP does to their officers when off duty. Calling this "insurgent tactics" instead of neighbors being neighbors is most definitely a perverse and disgusting values assessment. When the hell have insurgents used the whistle and the phone camera as their "tactics"?! Saying that this lawful activity, all 100% lawful, somehow "impedes federal enforcement of laws" is actually a statement that the supposed enforcement is being conducted in a completely lawless, unconstitutional, and dangerous manner. Keep on talking like you are, because people right now are sniffing out who is their neighbor and who will betray them when ICE moves on to the next city. Your neighbors probably already know, but being able to share specific sentences like "insurgent tactics" and how cameras are somehow "impeding" masked men abducting people, when days later we don't even know the identity of officers that shot and killed a man on film, who was in no way impeding law enforcement. And the only people who talk about "impeding law enforcement" also lie profusely when there is direct evidence on film contradicting their lies. There is terrorism going on, there is lawlessness, there is a great deal of elevated crime in Minnesota, but it all the doing of masked ICE/CBP agents that face zero accountability for breaking our laws and violating our most sacred rights. | | |
| ▲ | adamisom 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >I don't what you are talking about but it's nonsense and offensive This just reads as "I don't know whether you're on Other Team.. but, I'll assume you are, here goes:" | | | |
| ▲ | oklahomasports 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Trump is morally obligated to deport felon illegals to protect americans. 70 million plus americans voted for it. Trump can't give up because a few thousand people are playing "im not touching you" with ICE. | | |
| ▲ | darksaints 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, felon illegals are supposed to go to prison and serve their sentence before deportation. You know, because they committed felonies. Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor and overstaying your visa is a civil violation and not even a crime. Yet somehow those are the only ones he's targeting. Those, and actual lawful immigrants that say things that he doesn't like. | | |
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| ▲ | wyldberry 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | Jugglewhoa 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes because the US was famously the good guy in its forays into the middle east. I love this example because it demonstrates like 5 different levels of ignorance about American politics and foreign relations, plus a good helping of propaganda. |
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| ▲ | wyldberry 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | You're projecting a values claim on the American wars in the middle east on me that I didn't make. It's pretty clear that the ME wars were all around bad and evil. It doesn't change the organization and tactics used to identify targets are the same methods and strategies used by insurgent groups to select targets and attack. AQI was very sophisticated for the technology they had. Their warriors were brave, cunning, and true believers with efficacious systems for what was available to them. Twenty years of that, plus the rest of the middle east has now made it particularity common knowledge how to run insurgency cells worldwide. This combined with American expertise brought back and with people legally aiding these groups in setting up their C2 structures with what is effective and what works is no surprise. This investigation should be no surprise to anyone. They use these techniques because they work. They are so effective at target acquisition, monitoring, and selective engagement that if they flipped from their current tactics to more violent ones it would be a large casualty event. |
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| ▲ | kergonath 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You have an occupation force killing bystanders in your streets. Resistance is exactly what is needed. |
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| ▲ | HKH2 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "bystanders" | |
| ▲ | wyldberry 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What's needed is MNPD sharing their data around the criminal illegal aliens with ICE so that they can execute the deportation orders that have already been issued by judges. The structure of your message implies you are not American. DHS posts the people they deport here: https://www.dhs.gov/wow It's really hard to go down that list and say "yeah i'd rather have these people here than have ICE deporting people". | | |
| ▲ | ascagnel_ 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | MPD _is_ sharing and coordinating with ICE _when they're supposed to be_. MPD has already transferred ~70 people to ICE for deportation this year alone, after they completed prison sentences (which ICE claimed as their own arrests). | | |
| ▲ | defrost 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm guessing they would be 70 actual undocumented immigrants with actual criminal records then? Not "brown looking" native americans or "foreign looking" US citizens that have been incorrectly identified and dragged without warrents from their homes and families barely dressed into the snow? | | |
| ▲ | ascagnel_ 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not sure of the immigration status, just an article that called out ~70 transfers from MPD DOC to ICE following incarceration. I'd imagine it's a mix of documented and undocumented immigrants, as being convicted of a crime is a valid reason for the state to revoke a visa. | | |
| ▲ | defrost 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Good to see a subset of the system working as intended. It's well past time whatever is left of DOGE got to working culling the over reach of the rest of the current ICE / DHS system. |
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| ▲ | kergonath 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That would not be a problem if they deported these people, instead of what they are doing. |
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| ▲ | soperj 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > agreed to allow pardon my ignorance, but why would that be up to your President? |
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| ▲ | wyldberry 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not a lawyer, but there's a lot of back and forth around jurisdiction between local and federal enforcement. If the President directs the DoJ to not fight to own the investigation over local, then it is up to the Executive Branch. |
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| ▲ | bradleyankrom 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Both can be true, but only one is. |
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| ▲ | megous 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Equating civil resistance, even in heated forms like disrupting raids or blocking roads, with decades‑long insurgencies that involved organized armed groups, territorial control, foreign combatants, and protracted guerrilla campaigns is like comparing a neighborhood disagreement over lawn care to Napoleon invading Russia. |
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| ▲ | wyldberry 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Like i've said over and over, the tactics used are the distilled what works from those insurgencies honed over decades. They are incredibly effective. The network that was built (several max signal chats, organized territory, labor specialization) has essentially created an effective targeting mechanism. This isn't a bunch of people organically protesting, this is an organized system designed to "target" ICE agents. The only difference is the payload delivery between physical disruption vs weapon based attacks. | | |
| ▲ | megous 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | So what's the supposed goal of this "targeting" of ICE agents? Because that's a key to the insurgency vs protest thing. We have chats, organized territory and labor specialization in a company I work for, too. It doesn't say anything by itself. It's just describing a means of human cooperation. Goal is to write software. You can have organized protest movement too. Unless the goal is to overthrow governing authority, or whatnot, it's not insurgency. |
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| ▲ | Eldt 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They might not have the capacity to do more considering they still need to redact the rest of the epstein files that show their president is a child trafficking pedophile |
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| ▲ | wyldberry 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | They are running communications rings geographically distributed across the city via Signal. They organize into specialized roles for identifying suspected agents (spotters), tailing them, and moving to contact with ICE. They use the ARMY SALUTE[0][1] method to handle their reports. Anyone who ran convoys in the Middle East, patrolled, or did intel around it will know this playbook. The resistance is impressive because it's taken lessons learned from observing the US Military overseas dealing with insurgencies. 0 - https://www.usainscom.army.mil/iSALUTE/iSALUTEFORM/
1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHIPEVj0pRo | | |
| ▲ | Jugglewhoa 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So i wonder why he people of the city would act the same way as a group being invaded by a hostile force? Just like the Middle east its the people being invaded, they are the problem, not the invaders. | | |
| ▲ | wyldberry 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's more like Minneapolis has been "chosen" as the battle point by people opposed to Trump in every step. It's the same person leading deportations as under Obama, they deport less than Obama did, yet they have been demonized almost immediately after the Trump administration took over. Why? During the Obama administration, state and local LEO worked with ICE to deport. Now they are directed not to. Without that protection and cooperation from local officers, it becomes significantly harder and more dangerous to execute these operations. So they put masks on because the local agitators are doxxing them, threatening their families, and making life unsafe for the agents. So now we have this lack of cooperation from local government that creates unsafe and dangerous operating conditions for ICE. What are they supposed to do? Not enforce the law because the local government says no? We already fought a war about Federal power versus state power. Heck, Obama (whom i voted for 2x) sued Arizona (Arizona v. United States, 567 U.S. 387) over supremacy of the Federal Government with respect to immigration. There would be no problems if Minneapolis and Minnesota leadership reacted the way other cities like Memphis did. Instead they've explicitly, or tacitly, endorsed this escalating resistance movement. I can't imagine ever putting my hands on a LEO and expecting it to go well, yet they do it freely. Officers are only human, and day-in day-out of this, combined with very real actionable threats against your life, and family life are only going to create more tensions and more mistakes. This is no invasion hostile force, this is a chosen focal point to challenge the will and ability of this administration to enforce the democratically made laws. |
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| ▲ | curt15 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You left out a pretty important detail. Your "insurgents" in America aren't shooting people or planting IEDs. Communicating and protesting, on the other hand, are sacrosanct rights in the US. | | |
| ▲ | wyldberry 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | You're missing the forest for the trees here. The network and techniques used here are the same, but even more refined and tech enabled, of those insurgency groups. The power is the network of people in their specialized roles that can quickly target the enemy (ICE) and deliver a payload (obstruction). The FBI has a long history of attempting to infiltrate and destabilize these groups. In the early 2010s there was a push to infiltrate right leaning groups. They especially called out in their published documents disgruntled veterans returning from the wars and unhappy with leadership noting a worry they would use the skills picked up at war at home. It's absolutely no surprise that the FBI would investigate this behavior. |
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