While we’re getting rid of the first amendment maybe we should also get rid of the fourth and fifth amendment too since they make law enforcement harder? I’m sure cops in North Korea have a much easier and safer job.

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jatora 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So are you saying that the first amendment should protect government insiders leaking personal employee info to the public for the purposes of endangering those government employees, and to cause harm to their families? based on subjective opinions on whether the people think the actions of said employees are just or unjust?

That's wild if so. That's quite the precedent to set.

Note: I don't support ice or their actions. nor do i support vigilante justice.

	▲	heavyset_go 7 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Government employee names are public information. What it sounds like is you want to keep that information secret, and maintain a literal secret police. It is not surprising that people don't agree with you.
	▲	janalsncm 7 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Not sure what you are talking about. License plate information that is plainly visible is not “personal employee info”.
	▲	Braxton1980 7 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> for the purposes of endangering those government employees, and to cause harm to their families? Isn't this also subjective and depends on the information leaked.

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jjk166 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can't argue with their 110% conviction rate, North Korean tactics work.

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charcircuit 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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ceejayoz 13 hours ago | parent [-]

And protesting is not vigilante justice.

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charcircuit 12 hours ago | parent [-]

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filoeleven 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The protesters aren't the ones doing that. Have you not seen the news?

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charcircuit 11 hours ago | parent [-]

There are protesters that are obstructing law enforcement. It is undeniable that such protestor exist and this HN thread is about going after those people.

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janalsncm 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The thread is about going after people on Signal who are tracking officer locations. There are entirely legitimate reasons to want that information including exercising your first amendment rights at that location.

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charcircuit 9 hours ago | parent [-]

And there are illegitimate reasons too like going there to obstruct law enforcement operations. Since there are people obstructing law enforcement, the mechanisms that which such groups of people operate need to be investigated.

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janalsncm 4 hours ago | parent [-]

That’s not the standard. It doesn’t matter whether there could be illegitimate reasons. There could also be illegitimate reasons for using Google Maps. It’s still allowed.

What matters is the intent of the people publishing the information, which the government will need to prove was illegal.

	▲	charcircuit 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		As part of an investigation Google Maps could be subpoenaed. It's allowed but there may be a need to investigate.

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habinero 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh no, not civil disobedience. The horror.

	▲	charcircuit 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, it is horrible for people to break the law. Glorifying it for protesting purposes is destructive to a civilized society and downgrades us to a third world country.

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plagiarist 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I see the problem here. So, actually, the ones in masks who are randomly assaulting (sometimes murdering) nonviolent bystanders are ICE, not the protestors. Hope that helps.

	▲	charcircuit 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I am talking about protestors who obstruct law enforcement and their operations. Protestors who threaten regular people and law enforcement. Protestors who damage other people's property. Protestors who violate noiseordnance. Protestors who are trespassing. I am not referring to actual bystanders. Implying that I am is purposefully being ignorant of what I am talking about.

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bdangubic 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

4th amendment???! Osama killed that decades ago… they may as well take it off the books… Once we were OK having our junks touched to go from here to there the 4A effectively ceased to exist.

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OhMeadhbh 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You only have rights you exercise. Don't let the cops trample on your rights. Though... this does seem to work better for white, rich, older dudes than for other people.

	▲	janalsncm 13 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I’m reminded of (I think) people in Shanghai complaining that their posts about covid lockdowns were censored, saying “we have free speech”. And if you believe in universal rights, they’re right. They do. The question is whether the government will respect and protect those rights or not.
	▲	OhMeadhbh 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		I love that THIS is the post that gets me down-voted.
	▲	freejazz 9 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Thanks.