There’s a reason why Devuan (a non systemd Debian) exists. Don’t want to get into a massive argument, but there are legitimate reasons for some to go in a different direction.

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greenbit 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

And "because I want to" is a legitimate reason, if it's my system. It's not up for discussion.

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smartmic 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And Void Linux. And Gentoo. And Alpine Linux. And Slackware. And others.

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forty 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Systemd has recently added experimental support for musl libc, which should eventually allow Alpine to upgrade though

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eth0up 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

After over a decade of Debian, when I upgraded my PC, I tried every big systemd-based distro, including opensuse, which I wholly loathed. I finally decided on Void and feel at home as I did 20+ years ago when I began.

There are serious problems with the systemd paradigm, most of which I couldn't argue for or against. But at least in Void, I can remove network-manger altogether, use cron as I always have, and generally remain free to do as I please until eventually every package there is has systemd dependencies which seems frightfully plausible at this pace.

Void is as good as I could have wanted. If that ever goes, I guess it's either BSD or a cave somewhere.

I'm glad to see the terse questions here. They're well warranted.

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jamespo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

How is systemd stopping you use cron?

	▲	eth0up 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Not stopping. Just clashing with that and a hundred other things that I never wanted managed by one guy. Systemd.timer, systemd.service, yes, trivial, but I don't catalog every thing that bothers me about systemd - I just stay away from it. There are plenty of better examples. So where ever I wrote 'stop', it should read hinder.