This is basically the playbook of every "disruptive technology" startup or FAANG initiative of a similar stripe - set prices incredibly low to bleed out competition and gain market share, then raise them once you are in the dominant market position.

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deaux 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Correct, and this is why US big tech, including the big LLM players, need to be tarriffed/DSTed harder than Chinese cars by the rest of the world. They get big off of the exact dumping that China has always been accused of.

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HPsquared 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At a certain point it's not about technology anymore, but access to cheap finance. See also: Uber.

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groundzeros2015 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Uber is far better for me than the old taxi system.

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direwolf20 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe the one where you flagged down a car on the street, but you could always call to book a taxi and those companies worked exactly like Uber — over the phone, because it was the pre–app era.

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warkdarrior 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Uber also gives you a price upfront, and that is the most you will pay (+ tip, if you feel like it). I don't remember pre-mobile phone taxi system that gave you a price upfront. They used to list the price per mile, and then it was up to you to figure out the distance and make sure the driver took a reasonably short route.

So no, the old taxi companies did NOT work "exactly like" Uber.

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llbbdd 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've seen more than a few people on this forum assert that the old taxi system was/is comparable to Uber or somehow better. I even got some shit for referring to it as old, legacy, I forget the exact verbiage I used. But it is old, and it is worse. I get the price upfront, I can adjust the "class" of car I order if I'm going to the pharmacy alone or to a nice dinner. Calling ahead to preorder a taxi feels like calling to order a pizza over the phone at this point. If I called, would they even know how to handle it?

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direwolf20 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Obviously we live in a different era now where things are ordered by apps instead of websites or phone calls, but those used to be socially acceptable ways to order things.

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llbbdd 7 hours ago | parent [-]

For sure, I was there. But we also used to have to have the people on the phone read our order back to us to confirm it, now I've got a screen that does that automatically. I'm not at all nostalgic for the alternative.

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direwolf20 7 hours ago | parent [-]

We're talking about the ride service itself, not the interface used to book it.

	▲	llbbdd 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The whole thing end-to-end is the ride service though. The interface is the differentiator that made Uber popular and forced traditional taxi providers to compete for once. There used to be tons of anecdotes about "the card reader being broken" in traditional taxis, because they dodged taxes by only accepting cash. Exposing the whole process through an app and handling your billing outside of the car made tactics like that less useful. Taxis thrived on hidden information games and obligation; Uber doesn't remove that entirely but the playing field is more level.

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dpkirchner 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also, Uber drivers tend to show up. It was always a crapshoot with regular cab drivers. I don't have experience with other car services, maybe they were better pre-Uber.

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giaour 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It depends on where you lived. NYC had a large number of "black car" livery services where you would call, arrange a ride, and typically get a price up front. It wasn't legal to hail them on the street, but in practice it was pretty common to hail a black car (a "gypsy cab") and negotiate a price up front. Source: I lived a few blocks north of Central Park and in Hamilton Heights before Uber was a thing and took gypsy cabs a couple of times a week.

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theshackleford 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> and those companies worked exactly like Uber

Not in my country they didn’t. Booking or no booking, taxis did whatever they wanted. More often than not your booked taxi just wouldn’t turn up and you wouldn’t know until well after you needed it.

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dalyons 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

nah. They never came, or took hours. Taxis were awful services and deserved to die. (australia)

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groundzeros2015 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nobody on this forum believes in startups or technology anymore.

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_DeadFred_ 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Heck, Elon's ownership of SpaceX even got to me to not really care about space travel anymore, one of my biggest passions since I was 6. But I just can't root for whatever his vision of space faring society would look like.

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groundzeros2015 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Politics consuming all other interests

	▲	_DeadFred_ 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah I hear you. I too wish he would have stayed out of politics. Sadly he chose not to, and not just go a little, but to go all in. And to choose to make it basically his public identity.

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pokstad 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You know rocket science was founded by literal Nazis, right? We actually brought them to America to run NASA and get us to the moon.

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direwolf20 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Kessler syndrome, but every debris piece is a Starlink transceiver.