Someone I know told me they think about this when they see the people who voted for gun bans talk now about how they need guns to defend against unlawful ICE folks

mvdtnz 7 hours ago | parent [-]

But not a single person has actually done so. Until it can be shown that armed citizens are making a genuine difference against government agents it's still just bluster.

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stevenwoo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not the same thing or even country, but the guy killing Abe with the handmade gun changed the handling of Moonie infiltration of Japanese government and society. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/02/02/how-shinzo-abe...

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quailfarmer 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Disagree. The most valuable feature of a fraction of people having guns is that the risk of someone having a gun discourages the most extreme harassment, even if no gun is ever fired.

	▲	anigbrowl 19 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		You've just seen the people at the very top of the administration saying that just having a gun in any sort of proximity to federal agents = terrorist. If you show up tomorrow with a rifle on the other side of a Minnesota street from a bunch of ICE agents, do you think they're going to prioritize de-escalation and professionalism or just light you up? Serious question.
	▲	GrinningFool 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Yes, just like government operators were recently discouraged from escalating with that one protestor who had a legal gun that he wasn't using.
	▲	misnome 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		If only there was an extremely high profile example of how this isn’t at all true in the past several days!
	▲	mvdtnz 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Two protesters were murdered by government agents (one of them armed!). How much more extreme do you want to get?

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saubeidl 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The Black Panther Party proved this works decades ago: https://www.wbur.org/npr/442801731/director-chronicles-the-b...