> It depends on what you mean by send.

Currently I can:

    $ ssh -X somehost xeyes

and get a window on macOS.

▲ gf000 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For xeyes that works. It is absolutely an inferior and chatty protocol for any other application though, like try to watch a youtube video in chrome through it.

X's network transparency was made at a time when we drawn two lines as UI, and for that it works very well. But today even your Todo app has a bunch of icons that are just bitmaps to X, and we can transfer those via much better means (that should probably not be baked into a display protocol).

I think Wayland did the correct decision here. Just be a display protocol that knows about buffers and that's it.

User space can then just transport buffers in any way they seem fit.

Also, another interesting note, the original X network transparency's modern analogue might very well be the web, if you look at it squinted. And quite a few programs just simply expose a localhost port to avoid the "native GUI" issue wholesale.

	▲	throw0101a 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> For xeyes that works. It is absolutely an inferior and chatty protocol for any other application though, like try to watch a youtube video in chrome through it. I used run and use diskless SparcStation 5s with remote X on 10BASE2 network with the binaries running on Sun E3500s: it worked well enough for non-video web sites running Netscape 3.x. Also Matlab, Octave, Emacs, Vi(m), etc. I've used it to run backup application GUIs when I was still on DSL (<25Mbps) displaying at home many years ago, and it worked well then. I now have >100Mbps fibre at home, so doubt that bandwidth (or even latency) is worse.
	▲	ux266478 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		>It is absolutely an inferior and chatty protocol for any other application though, like try to watch a youtube video in chrome through it. This is extremely misleading. Web browsers (and games) are the worst case for X11's network transparency. The overwhelming majority of applications belong in the same category as xeyes. > the original X network transparency's modern analogue might very well be the web It's Arcan, which solved this problem without sacrificing network transparency at the altar.

▲ NoGravitas 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Today you would do:

`$ waypipe ssh somehost foot`

You need waypipe installed on both machines. For the Mac, I guess you'll need something like cocoa-way (https://github.com/J-x-Z/cocoa-way). Some local Wayland compositor, anyway.