Do you think anti-ICE videos are being blocked in China?

conductr 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Out of curiosity. What do those videos mean to an average Chinese person?

What are the opinions of illegal immigration over there? How do they police it? (If at all).

Does this look like normal government activity? Or are they appalled at the lack of “freedoms” in America?

I am truly naive on their culture or politics around this and how they would use it to show the US as boogeymen government and how their government is better. Is it a grass isn’t always greener type thing for them or is it a way to actually think we’re evil and should be stopped.

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pjc50 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Don't forget that the regular operation of Chinese policing is already much less free than what Americans are used to, plus the restrictions on internal freedom of migration (Hukou, less onerous than it used to be, plus the two SAR of Macao and HK). Mandatory state-issued ID, linked to your phone and bank account and so on.

As well as racial profiling. There's not that much immigration to China in the first place, legal or otherwise.

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aprentic 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How so?

My experience in China was that the police were a bit on the bureaucratic side but otherwise far less obtrusive than in the US.

They divide their police forces into civil police and armed police. The civil police tend to be bored looking middle aged guys lounging around in guard booths at museums. They don't have weapons. The only armed police I saw stood at attention at the airport except when they had a changing of the guard ceremony.

As near as I can tell, China only allows immigration if they think that will benefit China. They've been pushing hard on academic scholarships and, in recent years, they've managed to shift net visits from the US to China.

They also seem to be pushing really hard on increasing the number of visiting African scholars. That's likely straight out of the US playbook; they see China as a rising power and want to make sure that their emerging leaders were educated in China and have ties to China.

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direwolf20 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Isn't it the case that Chinese police don't need to be as visible because everyone fears what they can do, and doesn't commit crimes? A bit like how Iran has to send in military force to kill 50k protestors, but the UK can just spread a few messages that people will be arrested, and then they don't protest.

	▲	aprentic 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I doubt it. As near as I can tell, there are essentially 2 kinds of laws; laws that people agree with and laws that they don't. For the second type, governments often have trouble enforcing them consistently so they often try to compensate by making the punishments harsher (eg mandatory minimum sentencing). As near as I can tell, that tends to fail miserably. Our government here has been shooting people in the streets and that hasn't stopped protesters from pouring out. When you see a bunch of people peacefully following laws the most likely explanation is that they just think those laws are reasonable.
	▲	foldr 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I think the issue there is just that people in the UK have less immediate cause to protest than people living under the Iranian regime. The idea that British people are more afraid of their police than Iranians seems a bit wacky.

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conductr an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

That’s kind of my point. through their eyes, is any of this really shocking at all? is kind of my question.

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palmotea 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Do you think anti-ICE videos are being blocked in China?

Of course not, but other stuff is.

Interestingly, my understanding is government pressure forces Douyin to be more "positive" and "encouraging" than Tiktok (i.e. outrage is an easy way drive engagement with obvious negative externalities, and that path is blocked).

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fwip 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Then the GP statement is still correct.

"The forced US hosted tik-tok sale is all about hiding information from the US public that most people in the rest of the world have easy access to."

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palmotea 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> Then the GP statement is still correct.

In the most point-missing, technical kind of way.

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fwip 5 hours ago | parent [-]

No? The point is that the US government made this deal with Tiktok so the US can censor stuff the US government doesn't like.

Saying "But China also censors!" is the one missing the point.

	▲	palmotea 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> No? The point is that the US government made this deal with Tiktok so the US can censor stuff the US government doesn't like. That's too black and white. The Tiktok sale isn't just one thing by one actor for one reason, it's more complicated. There's the Biden administration bill, there's Trump's deal implementing it, etc. I don't think the bill that forced the sale was passed "so the US can censor stuff the US government doesn't like." Before Trump got involved, it was heading for a straight blackout (which IMHO would have been better for everyone).

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insane_dreamer 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

probably not, in fact, the CCP likes to promote content that shows the "US in disarray", while simultaneously censoring and suppressing any content that is critical of the CCP or that exposes its bad actions