| ▲ | legitster 7 hours ago |
| If it wasn't eminently obvious, most of these "secrecy" programs are marketing fluff. The actual ingredients are literally on the safety data sheet: https://files.wd40.com/pdf/sds/mup/wd-40-multi-use-product-a... The company can brag that their formulation has a special blend of herbs and spices, but someone who wants to can obviously make their own special formulation and say that theirs is secret too. More importantly, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. And there is nothing particularly special about WD-40's formulation anymore. WD-40 consistently performs worse than nearly any other available penetrating oil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUEob2oAKVs It's a terrible long term lubricant (because it's designed to evaporate, it actually concentrates gunk and grime). WD-40 themselves have come out with improved "Specialist" formulations that mostly just copy other, superior products. |
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| ▲ | 7bees 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > The actual ingredients are literally on the safety data sheet This is an oversimplification, in a way that is likely not obvious to a lot of people on this (software-focused) forum. An SDS does not have to list exact amounts, does not have to disclose some details of how an ingredient or mix of ingredients was processed, and (depending on jurisdiction) may not have to identify some "safe" ingredients at all. Some ingredients may be identified in relatively vague ways, that are sufficient for safety purposes but do not reveal the exact product. As the SDS you linked to says "The specific chemical identity and exact percentages are a trade secret". An SDS is certainly very helpful to reverse-engineering a product, but it doesn't tell you everything. All that said, yes, the main strength of WD-40 is its marketing and ubiquity, and claims about its secrecy have more to do with marketing than anything practical. |
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| ▲ | Scoundreller 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Some ingredients may be identified in relatively vague ways, that are sufficient for safety purposes but do not reveal the exact product Where I find this can be fun is that different countries seem to have different requirements for precision. Or just straight up different formulations for the same thing. German wd40 says it’s all c9-c11 carbon chains: https://smarthost.maedler.de/datenblaetter/EG_SIDA_WD40_EN.p... US has a CARB and non-CARB formulation which are also different: https://files.wd40.com/pdf/sds/mup/wd-40-multi-use-product-a... https://files.wd40.com/msds/latam/GHS-SDS-WD-40-Multi-Use-Pr... | |
| ▲ | wolfi1 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I once had a problem with the ignition lock I couldn't turn the key, my mechanic told me that that could happen on a very hot day with that model. "use a lubricant or wait till it's colder" - "Would WD-40 do?" -"Guess so" made it worse. with the help of the AAA (well, the equivalent in my country) and an oil spray I could turn the key, since then I've always an oil spray with me | | |
| ▲ | anticodon 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Had the same problem with my moto (key not turning the lock). Fortunately, there was a car nearby and owner had a spare jug of oil. I put some oil on the key, put it in the ignition lock, waited for 5 minutes, and it started to turn again. Although I must admin WD-40 helped me in the past opening an old door lock. |
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| ▲ | Incipient 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The SDS should include all SAFETY relevant information/ingredients for whatever jurisdiction. If the local area doesn't really care if it's hexane or pentane from a safety perspective, they'll likely just be lumped together behind a generic name/cas number. It's absolutely not a BOM to reproduce a product. | |
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| ▲ | Loughla 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| WD-40's advantage is that it's not terrible to get on your skin when you're out working, and it's cheap. The people who use it are looking for cheap, mostly. Source: farming. We have many different lubes and penetrating products for when we're in the actual shop, but in the field, nothing beats wd-40 for getting back to work fast, or unsticking some shit when all you have is a hammer and you just know when that fucking bolt comes loose it's going to throw rust and dirt all over your face. |
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| ▲ | giancarlostoro 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The caveat is use the right one for the right job. There's a meme that if its not moving but its supposed to you need WD-40... well you need Silicone WD-40 or any silicone based oil like for a garage. If you use regular WD-40 in a garage it is a degreaser essentially, and your squeaking goes away momentarily, and then comes back. After I learned this, you have no idea how much silicone WD-40 I had to put in my garage to make the squeaking stop for good. | |
| ▲ | sidewndr46 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm unsure what your definition of "cheap" is for WD-40 but I find it to be very overpriced. If I need a universal lubricant that is readily available and cheap, I just use used motor oil. | | |
| ▲ | umvi 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I thought WD-40 was more a solvent than lubricant | | |
| ▲ | steve_adams_86 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, it mostly evaporates and only leaves a thin film behind. It's better than nothing if there's no lubricant in place, but will actually make things worse if there is a functional lubricant in place. | |
| ▲ | Telemakhos an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The WD in WD-40 stands for "water displacer." It makes water go somewhere else. Secondarily, it is a solvent, and it's great for dissolving glues, like the glue used to affix government-issued tax licenses to automobiles. It's not really a lubricant, but in a pinch it can temporarily function as one. I like Swiss army knives, but they collect lint and gunk from my pockets. I use WD-40 to dissolve gunk, and to drive out water after an ultrasonic bath, but I lubricate with the light machine oil used for barber's clippers. |
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| ▲ | ungreased0675 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Used motor oil isn’t sold in aerosol cans with a little red straw for precision application. You aren’t just buying the liquid. | |
| ▲ | Scoundreller 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Motor oil doesn’t spray too well. (Yes, you can buy bulk wd-40 liquid and put into a branded or unbranded sprayer) | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sparying oil is bad - it just collects dust. Oil what needs oil only | | |
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| ▲ | interstice 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Isn’t that carcinogenic? | | |
| ▲ | sidewndr46 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Isn't a pretty wide range of products you'd use for this? I guess vegetable oil isn't and it works fine. Fluidfilm I don't think is either. I wear PPE for this reason however. | |
| ▲ | legitster 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Only if it's used and only if it's ingested. Clean motor oil is not actually that harmful if swallowed - it only carcinogenic because of all the metals and carbon it builds up when in the motor. | | |
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| ▲ | torginus 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Before I got serious with fixing and building things at home, WD-40 was a catchall panacea you sprayed on stuff to make it work. | | |
| ▲ | cratermoon 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If it moves and it shouldn't: duct tape If it doesn't move and it should: WD-40 | | | |
| ▲ | Xerox9213 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not only does WD make something work, it makes it smell good, too! | | | |
| ▲ | steve_adams_86 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It was, but it still is, too | |
| ▲ | knowitnone3 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | sprayed on motherboard and ssd. didn't work at all | | |
| ▲ | edm0nd 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | silly goose, everyone knows you have to use fresh lemon juice on motherboards and ssds. the electrolytes from the lemon help speed up and cleanse the circuitry. | | |
| ▲ | wombatpm 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | And it will remove excess fat from the zeros so the move faster down the wires |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > actual ingredients are literally on the safety data sheet From the data sheet: "The specific chemical identity and exact percentages are a trade secret." The petroleum base oils alone cover thousands of candidate chemicals. |
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| ▲ | legitster 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure, but the difference between one particular formulation of mineral oils and another cannot possibly be that important to the formula. And even if it were, the recipe was supposedly created by a guy in his shed after only 40 attempts with the technology available 70 years ago. The idea that an R&D team with an entire lab of equipment couldn't recreate or improve the formula if they wanted to in that time seems a bit far fetched. | | |
| ▲ | throwaway201606 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Sure, but the difference between one particular formulation of mineral oils and another cannot possibly be that important to the formula." Formulation matters and is very important. A1 jet fuel, propane, regular 87 gas and vaseline are four different formulations of some version of mineral oil (petroleum). Which do you want in a car you are driving? On your parched lips? In your plane engine? Coming into your kitchen stove? | |
| ▲ | TheCondor an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Doesn’t lubrazol make billions by formulating mineral oils to purpose? |
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| ▲ | Scoundreller 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > WD-40 consistently performs worse than nearly any other available penetrating oil. The video’s test showed wd-40 worked slightly better than kroil and pb blaster, which all performed in the same range, being not much better than nothing. That’s particularly interesting because of how often kroil/pb come up as recommendations to use instead of wd… Acetone+atf did better and liquid wrench penetrating fluid did the best, but *nothing* beats heat. |
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| ▲ | legitster 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I've had good luck with acetone+atf but I am surprised Kroil and PB Blaster didn't perform better as I have had lots of good experiences with both. Regardless, the main problem with WD-40 is the popular misconception that it's a decent lubricant. | | | |
| ▲ | chasd00 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Idk about wd40 but acetone is pretty gnarly. Know what acetone does to your eyes if you get some splashed in them? The same thing it does to everything else. | |
| ▲ | greenavocado 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I second heat. I always go for heat if possible first. Bonus is it is mess-free generally. | |
| ▲ | quietsegfault 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In my own experience, kroil was far, far, far better than WD-40. |
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| ▲ | dostick 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| “WD-40 performs worse than oils” because WD-40 is not an oil, it’s not even a lubricant. It’s a water protector.
many make mistake using WD40 for lubricating everything because it’s mainly for water related applications. There are flavours of WD40 that are more “oil”. |
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| ▲ | linsomniac 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | A coworker was asking if someone had some WD40 they could bring in because his chair was squeaking. "I do, but I'll bring in something else for your chair." Another coworker asked "Are you one of those guys that believes WD40 isn't a lubricant?" to which I answered "Absolutely." | | |
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| ▲ | chihuahua 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One hilarious fact about WD-40 is that there is a bicycle chain lubricant by Muc-Off that does WORSE than original WD-40 in chain wear tests. (I know WD-40 is a bad lubricant, that's what makes this so funny) |
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| ▲ | ofalkaed 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Bike chain lubes are mostly terrible, they are meant to work properly for maybe a few hundred miles assuming they were applied to a properly cleaned chain, properly applied and the weather cooperates. They all wear chains and chain rings quickly unless you are very good about cleaning and relubing your chain. 3in1 is still king unless you are racing. I would expect WD-40 to work fairly well because it cleans the chain and gets the filth out of the links, filth is a big part of drive train wear and we really don't need much in the way of lube as long as things are kept clean and rust free so the links move smoothly. |
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| ▲ | Animats 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Lubricant analysis is a commonly available service. It's normally done on lubricating oil for large engines (heavy trucks, locomotives, ships) as a diagnostic tool. The usual tests are mostly to see what properties of the oil or engine are degrading. Full analysis of new oil to validate that it conforms to specification is available.[1] Hydrocarbons are rather well studied. [1] https://oilanalysislab.com/ |
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| ▲ | AgentMatt 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > It's a terrible long term lubricant (because it's designed to evaporate, it actually concentrates gunk and grime). I recently read that WD40 isn't actually a lubricant but a lubricant remover. So as you write you'd use it to remove gunk but then follow it up with an actual lubricant. On the last two bottles of WD40 I came across (im Germany) I checked the back and it indeed said that it's not a lubricant but a lubricant remover. (Disclaimer: can't read the article past the intro where it does call it a lubricant...) |
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| ▲ | legitster 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, it's more correctly labelled as a solvent. Part of their marketing secret is that their product is inherently "addictive" in a way - it can loosen up things quickly but also make them seize more quickly. Which gives users a sense that they constantly need to re-apply WD-40 when most of what you are doing is cleaning up the mess of the previous application. | | |
| ▲ | jkubicek 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just like Carmex lip balm. The stuff everyone was “addicted” to in the 90s |
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| ▲ | mrandish 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > If it wasn't eminently obvious, most of these "secrecy" programs are marketing fluff. Yep, and equally obvious is that keeping some piece of paper in a bank vault for PR doesn't change the fact the "secret" formula still needs to be turned into millions of gallons of product in factories around the world, so people in supply chain procurement and manufacturing processes have to have practical knowledge of how to make it. |
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| ▲ | s0rce 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The SDS here may not be sufficient to deformulate as many of the CAS# reported are generic and represent a broad class of compounds. Probably easier to just go run it on a GC. |
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| ▲ | 0ckpuppet an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| not meant to be a lubricant, wd, water displacement. Use as a solvent, then lube with something better. |
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| ▲ | jrflowers 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >The actual ingredients are literally on the safety data sheet: The only CAS number listed in that data sheet that doesn’t return Molecular Formula: Unspecified is carbon dioxide. The other 98% of the formulation is just sort of vague references to petroleum distillates. |
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| ▲ | ASalazarMX 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | For the PDF impaired - LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon (CAS #64742-47-8) 45-50% - Petroleum Base Oil (CAS #64742-56-9, 65-0, 53-6, 54-7, 71-8) <35% - Aliphatic Hydrocarbon (CAS #64742-47-8) 10 - <25% - Carbon Dioxide (CAS #124-38-9) 2-3% Note: The specific chemical identity and exact percentages are a trade secret. | | |
| ▲ | bobmcnamara 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't know the distribution between aromatic and aliphatic hydrocarbons, but there's lots of each. > specific chemical identity I wonder if it's just two hydrocarbons then? Odd that identify is singular. |
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| ▲ | unethical_ban an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I learned the whole "not a lubricant" lesson the hard way in 2009 when my idle pulley was squeaking on a long drive. I stopped and bought a spare and sprayed it down with WD-40. Forty miles from my destination, it seized. Sadly, not knowing it was reverse thread, I stripped it with a breaker bar and had to have the truck towed. |
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| ▲ | SanjayMehta 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The real deal with WD-40 (and Coca Cola) is the brand name. |
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| ▲ | colechristensen 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| WD-40 is great for cleaning, particularly threads, but also metal surfaces. It generally doesn't eat plastic, isn't a crazy skin or respiratory irritant. I use it a ton to clean off threads of stuff exposed to the elements. Get dirt, old oil/grease, water, and any grit or rust or other things out of threads so they tighten properly and don't get jammed up with stuff. If something I'm working on is dirty, it gets a spray of WD-40 and a rag to help not foul up the inside of whatever I'm opening. |
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| ▲ | foxglacier 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I thought it was mostly meant to protect against rust due to moisture in the ambient air so I put it on tools in my basement. But if it's evaporating, maybe it's not so great at that. But yea, like Coke or McDonalds, the brand is probably worth far more than the secrecy of the recipe. |
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| ▲ | rubinlinux 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There is a product called BOESHIELD T-9 which actually does, reportedly, work for this. It was suggested in some thread years ago and I got a can, it appears to work well enough keeping rust creep off my ancient drill press table. | | |
| ▲ | poulsbohemian an hour ago | parent [-] | | Great to see Boeshield in this thread - so much of what's happening in this thread is the wrong product for a particular application. As you point out, Boeshield is a great product for protecting cast iron |
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| ▲ | sejje 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My stepdad was a drywall finisher, those crews washed the drywall off their tools with water, then got the water off (prevented rust) with WD40. Difference being, they applied it every day, and specifically to prevent rust because the tools were wet. But man did they love it. Went through a couple cans per week I bet. | |
| ▲ | dotancohen 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think that Project Farm did a video on rust prevention formulations. I don't remember how WD-40 fared. |
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| ▲ | quietsegfault 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's such garbage, and it's frustrating to see stuff like this on the front page. |
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| ▲ | ajross 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's garbage in the same way that the Bourne shell is garbage. People can pontificate 19 replies deep in the comments about the right way to express a problem using sum types in Rust, but sometimes you just want to check the script in and move on. Same deal here: there is value to having a product that stops squeaks, cleans rust and de-goo's gunk on the supermarket shelf. 70% of the time, snobbery is just snobbery. The world runs on Getting Stuff Done. |
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| ▲ | knowitnone3 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "It's a terrible long term lubricant" it's not even a lubricant |
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| ▲ | darig 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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