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indoordin0saur 12 hours ago

I think it's totally great that competing products get produced in the EU. Not a bad thing from anyone's perspective except the owners of those US companies that will now need to compete.

eduction 11 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s great yes, but if we in the US weren’t proving so untrustworthy, EU startups and tech giants could focus on building things that actually might out innovate us and everyone else. Which would be a win-win.

Instead they will spend a lot time duplicating tools where only US companies are providing options, and maybe not innovating much if anything in those areas. Or not enough to matter much.

I don’t blame them. There is value in trusting your tools and not risk having them weaponized. It’s just sad all around.

BrenBarn 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Duplicating things is underrated. It's good for there to be multiple operators doing basically the same thing. Innovation can happen at the margins. It will be easier, not harder, for EU companies to innovate in meaningful ways after they've built their own systems and are no longer just following in the wake of big US companies. (Not to mention that half of what passes for innovation these days is actually bad.)

tdrz 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It’s great yes, but if we in the US weren’t proving so untrustworthy, EU startups and tech giants could focus on building things that actually might out innovate us and everyone else. Which would be a win-win. Instead they will spend a lot time duplicating tools where only US companies are providing options, and maybe not innovating much if anything in those areas. Or not enough to matter much.

You could apply this to Slack vs Teams as well. Slack was already good, Microsoft just duplicated their work, came out with an inferior product and won. So, was it worth it?

XorNot 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Teams won by being good enough and bundled into O365. There's probably some value in making a product so available that people can use it where normally they wouldn't have the opportunity.

ornornor 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Teams won by being bundled with the rest of the Microsoft stack and shoved down captive (corporate) users throats.

fireflash38 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sometimes rebuilding a tool makes it better. You hopefully learn from the past.