| ▲ | rossdavidh 7 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
So, a couple years ago Microsoft was the first large, public-facing software organization to make LLM-assisted coding a big part of their production. If LLM's really delivered 10x productivity improvements, as claimed by some, then we should by now be seeing an explosion of productivity out of Microsoft. It's been a couple years, so if it really helps then we should see it by now. So, either LLM-assisted coding is not delivering the benefits some thought it would, or Microsoft, despite being an early investor in OpenAI, is not using it much internally on things that really matter to them (like Windows). Either way, I'm not impressed. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | Someone1234 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I know blaming everything on LLMs is in vogue right now; but this is much more to do with Microsoft very publically firing the QA department[0][1] as a cost savings measure and claiming developers will do their own QA (long before LLMs were on the scene). It started in 2014 and the trickle never stopped. Microsoft has a cultural problem; it went from an "engineers" company to an MBA directed one, trying to maximize short-term shareholder value at the cost of long-term company reputation/growth. It is very common and typical of US Corporate culture today, and catastrophic in the long-run. [0] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/08/how-m... [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/business/microsoft-expected-... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | rich_sasha 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
They weren't great before LLMs either. Also, it seems from the outside like a dysfunctional organisation, or at least with incentives heavily misaligned with their users. Replace LLMs with a bunch of 10x engineers and it will still be bad in an environment like this. So not sure how much to blame the LLMs - or in fact how much MS is really using them. Poor souls have to use MS AI tools, I almost feel sorry for them. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | Octoth0rpe 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> If LLM's really delivered 10x productivity improvements, as claimed by some, then we should by now be seeing an explosion of productivity out of Microsoft. It's been a couple years, so if it really helps then we should see it by now. That productivity may not be visible. I think MS's move-everything-to-rust initiate would be one hell of an endorsement if they manage to make visible progress on that in the next couple of years. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | pawelduda 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
If they used copilot and it was years ago, I'm actually impressed there are no reports of Windows PC's exploding | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | j1elo 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It's not LLMs. It's returns-driven-development. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | adamrezich 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Imagine a world where Microsoft was pushing “Copilot” integration everywhere, just as they are in this one—but the proof was, actually, in the pudding. Windows was categorically improving, without regression, with each subsequent update. Long-standing frustrations with the operating system experience were gradually being ironed out. Parts of the system that were slow, frustrating, convoluted, or all three, were being thoughtfully redesigned without breaking backwards compatibility, and we were watching this all unfold in real time, in awe of the power of “AI”, eyes wide with hope for the future of software, and computing in general. Think of how dramatically this hypothetical alternate reality differs from the one we live in, and then consider just how galling it is that these people have the nerve to piss on our leg and then tell us it's raining. Things are not getting better. This supposedly-magical new technology isn't observably improving things where it matters most—rather, it's demonstrably hastening the decline of the baseline day-to-day software that we depend upon. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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